The single action revolver in the modern world

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The SA that sounds the coolest on cocking, I must admit, is the SAA Colt. However, I prefer my Rugers for actual use. I want a SAA clone some day, maybe. Colts are just the classic. What 1911s are to the auto guys, the SAA is to me. Maybe I was too into John Wayne movies when I was a kid? :banghead: :D
 
I like my old Ruger Bisley Vaquero and my much older Hawes Federal Marshal (both in .44 magnum), and either would make a suitable packin' sidearm for the boonies (in the extremely unlikely event of attack by a four-legged predator; better safe than sorry...). I don't CCW one, though, as I opt for a S&W 642 or a good service auto for that duty.

Now, a single-action revolver that does have merit for EDC (in my opinion) is a little NAA mini, in .22 WMR. As a back-up, it can be concealed, carried, and forgotten until needed.
 
I have an NAA .22 LR that goes everywhere with me. But, you can't forget it. I change the ammo out biweekly. Leave it in too long and you'll get misfires. Rimfire is just that way. I also clean the dust bunnies out of it once in a while. It does pick up lint in the pocket. Sure is a handy little tool, though. Mine's got the holster/grip. It goes everywhere I go.

I prefer the .22 LR version to the magnum. .22 mag is rather pathetic out of a 1" barrel and has no advantage over .22 LR, really. Neither is a man stopper, but it's a handy little tool. I've shot snakes with it, even a few rabbits. It ain't a tack driver, but it's pretty accurate. It is nice to know it's there and ready even if nothing else is. It takes up no more room in a pocket than a small lock blade knife. :D
 
Revolver Ocelot says:

The Single-Action Army is "the greatest handgun ever made."
 
If I was going into a situation where I knew I needed a gun (and couldn't avoid it), a single action revolver wouldn't be any more or less preferable than a more modern handgun, IMO. (The preference would be for a shotgun or a rifle if calling in sick is not an option. ;) )

For hunting or packing around in the woods out at my camp fishing and bumming around, the SA would be great. Nobody would give it a second thought, and there are few things as durable as, say, a fixed-sighted, stainless steel Ruger Vaquero or Bisley-Vaquero.

Any revolver is slow to reload. My Glock 17 can empty 3 or 4 magazines by the time I get two dozen rounds through my 629 (DA .44 Magnum revolver). An SAA might get through a dozen in the same time frame. But if you're on your own and need more than the first six, I'm not putting odds on surviving the fight at that point with any pistol.

Just MO, yours may vary.

BTW, that 629 was my 21st birthday present two years ago (bought used). The Glock was already "mine" at that point, and I had "owned" a Ruger Super Blackhawk (SA .44 Magnum) for a time before then, and fired quite a few rounds through my father's Ruger SBH as well.
 
Firearms, to me, have more aspects to them than just 'rate of fire'. If you think about it, the only advantage a DA revolver has over a SA revolver is that it can shoot and reload faster.

Rate of fire, to me, really only means "The ability to kill as many things as fast as possible". And unless you're a Mall Ninja, an Anti, or a 14 year old Counterstrike player, you should be mature and gentlemanly enough to realize that shooting is more than just killing things.

So that's why I think SA revolvers are, overall, better firearms than DA revolvers. They're classy, simple, historical and beautiful. And I like that.

My next purchase will be a DA revolver, but only because I do plan on using it for self-defense. If I were to buy a revolver just for fun, however, it would be a SA revolver.
 
A couple of comments here.

First of all, there isn't a large selection of single action revolvers for defense. They tend to fall into two categories -- too big for comfortable carry or too underpowered.

Consider the difference between a Colt SAA and a M1911A1. The latter has about the same power, but is much more concealable and portable.

Next, reloadability is a consideration. A spare magazine or speed loader is like a spare tire. When you need it, you need it bad.

I have several single actions, but I somehow never carry one concealed.
 
I've had two Ruger 41 mags over the last 30 years. Bought the first one specifically due to watching an episode of "American Sportsman" with Curt Gowdy, which had a segment on a guy taking a grizzly down in Alaska with it. If I remember correctly, it took five shots to get the job done, as the bear was on the run...and you never saw the guys who were off camera, backing the hunter up with shotguns! LOL. I was hooked, though.

[Please...let's not comment on "bears" again...a subject I hope never to see resurrected!]

But, in spite that silly reason to buy a first gun, I have been in awe of the single action for years. It's my boonie gun when at the farm, either in a beat up old belt holster, or a full blown western rig.

My confidence in it is three-fold. One, I'm confident in the load for just about anything. Two, using the SASS method of thumbing the hammer with the non-dominant hand, and considering the fraction of a second you need to absorb recoil and get back on target, I find the shot intervals acceptable. Three, after a little practice, it has become one of the most accurate guns I ever hope to shoot.

And...it is a timeless work of beautiful simplicity to me!

Len.
 
Yes and no.

The two primary uses that I see for an SA revolver in the modern world are fun (i.e. anything from plinking to CAS) and outdoor carry. As a SASS shooter myself, I can say that an SA revolver can be very fast and accurate. An example. I can put ten shots on a 15" steel plate at 7 yards in under 4 seconds. That's starting with my hands on my hat, then at the buzzer, draw first pistol, 5 shots, holster, draw second pistol, 5 shots. Now your average joe, unfamiliar with SA's would not be able to do so. It takes a lot of practice to be able to. The biggest thing that allows for speed with an SA is that as fast as the operator can work the action, the gun will work. Autoloaders have a small amount of lock time, while the gun is cycling.

The disadvantage to SA's, for defensive situations, is that while they can shoot mighty fast, they load awfully slow. A competitive shooter with an auto can often do a mag change in well under a second. A full reload with a pair of SA's would take me more on the order of 25 to 30 seconds, if everything went right. It's a complex operation, with about sixty three steps to be performed, rather than three or four, for the mag change. Not something I'd want to do under fire, or in the dark, etc.

Conclusion: Even though I can shoot an SA pretty well, I carry a 1911. I just need to figure out a sport to play with a 1911, now, so as to motivate me to play with it, instead of only my cowboy guns.

~~~Mat
 
I love the feel of the sa in my hand, it just fits. I qualified with it for my ccw though I seldom carry it, my little s&w snubbie is just too convienent. Im also the guy who ordered a new scion with a manual transmission and still uses a zippo to light his cigars.
 
If you already have an SA revolver and you're proficient and comfortable with it, then it may be a great choice for a pistol for you to use for self-defense.

I wouldn't recommend that someone purchase one for that purpose if they weren't already good with them. There are better choices, IMO.
 
Not the ultimate self defence tool

Simple, rugged, lightweight, easy to shoot and cheaper than comparable DA designs. If you want nostalgia go with colt or a clone. Strength? Ruger would get the nod.
A good, large bore single action should be capable of accomplishing just about anything the user would want. The real gun nuts use cast bullets and can do some pretty amazing things with them.
I've got a Ruger Bisley .45 and love it to death.
 
I like what Cortez Kid said.

Skeeter Skelton (famous gun writer years ago) once said a man armed with a SA pistol that knows how to shoot is a formidable opponent.

I am not advocating using a SA as a primary defense tool. However, I feel there is an intrinsic advantage in a SA that at least keeps it from being obsolete in self defense.

When you draw or pull a SA, the cocking action is natural, and in my opinion, does not significantly delay the first shot. As the trigger is being cocked, the shooter is instinctively waiting for the precise moment of target acquisition. Most triggers on good SA's are light and crisp, so the instant the target is acquired in the sight picture, the gun go's BOOM, and in the hand of a competent person, the target will be hit.

I have been in a near self defense situation with a Ruger .45LC and I would not hesitate to reach for it again.
 
Why not make DA revolvers with plowhandles?


High Standard double nine?

The thing that keeps me from even considering a single action for self defense is the large size of the guns. Try to conceal that thing sometime. Might be an option in an open carry state, but not here. To me, it's the ultimate outdoor gun. If you spend your life in the city and have never seen the woods, buy your autos with the picante rails (or whatever they are) and hang your mag light on it and be happy. Single actions are for outdoorsmen. JMHO of course.
 
Apples and oranges, again

Look at the history of handgun design (for those who don't know, do some research, it's worth the time).

SA revolvers were developed in an era where concealment was not a large consideration. Hence, they are large, and by the standards of their day, powerful. Starting with cap&ball, and evolving into cartridge firearms without being completely redesigned, they work, and work well.

Autoloaders are of much newer genesis, and have evolved as well, with many designs being tried before generally settling on some variation of the Browning tilt barrel lockup (for service autos).

There is a natural tendancy to equate the designs as they are intended to fulfill similar functions, but is it really fair? Isn't it the proverbial apples and oranges comaprison?

The most common complaints against the SA revolver are "slow to reload", but only because you are comparing them against a more modern design. Comopare them against cap&ball, or single shot muzzle loader (Kentucky pistol) and they are tremendously fast.

Limited firepower? again, compare them against their contemporaries and they come out ahead.

Feel, balance, even recoil are personal considerations, and vary widely from individual to individual. The same for esthetics.

Are single actions still the best choice for serious social situations? NO, but not for the reason most people would expect. The reason they aren't the best choice anymore is that overall we are no longer a nation of shooters. We don't carry and work our guns on a daily basis. Cowboys carried SA guns as part of their working attire. Today only law enforcement carries guns on a daily basis, and many of them seldom actually use their guns. We aren't (generally) raised to them like we used to be. Today, only enthusiasts develope the skills that used to be much more common place.

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to claimi the SA revolver is superior to more modern designs in our modern world, only that comparisons based on modern scenarios are inherently biased.

That being said, the single action certainly does have a place in today's world. It is the premier outdoorsman's companion piece. Other designs can and do serve well, but the SA revolver still embodies the best combination of all the desirable features for sporting use, even if it no longer does for combat.

And they are so much freakin FUN!!!! When I grab a pistol to shoot for fun (or to just show off) 90% of the time it is my 7.5" Ruger Blackhawk .45 Colt.

And on the plus side, the Single Action is a superior tool for teaching beginner shooters. Each round has to be "worked" for, promoting accuracy, and reducing ammo wasting. Semi autos encourage too rapid shooting among beginners. While this is fun, it doesn't teach them much, unless they pay for their own ammo, and if they do what they usually learn is shooting costs too much! SA revolvers make beginners work just enough, but not too much. They learn to appreciate each round, at least if they are taught properly, and once they start making progress, the appreciate the features of DA and semi autos even more.

Simple, rugged, dependable, accurate, reliable, all these things can be said of many designs, but they are said of the single action revolver on a regular basis. After all, any product who's basic concept is pushing 200 years old, and is still in daily use and quite popular must have something going for it.
 
SA revolvers were developed in an era where concealment was not a large consideration. Hence, they are large, and by the standards of their day, powerful.

Hard to believe when the 1848-1849 .31 C&B revolvers were Colt's biggest sellers. Pocket pistols were just as appreciated then as now.
 
When I head for town, I carry my 3.75" Ruger Old Vaquero .45LC with a birdshead grip in a med Smartcarry.
Loaded I think it is 42oz. With the birdshead, I have the ability to sort of hook the grip over my belt (with a 'bloused' shirt it is undectable), it carries a lot better than my G26. Because of the support system ( Smartcarry+belt) the weight isn't an issue at all. Also, because the grip is out a bit, the draw is good. Again, a lot better than with my 26.
Gotta love those big bore SA's !!!
 
Vern said:

First of all, there isn't a large selection of single action revolvers for defense. They tend to fall into two categories -- too big for comfortable carry or too underpowered.

True enough with the possible exception of the Ruger SSM in .32 magnum. I've got a buddy that has one, okay, he carries it when hunting, but it could be used for defense. It's small and light enough to carry, yet he gets some pretty incredible ballistics out of the little gun with his hand loads.

I'll keep my .38 snub, though. :D
 
I've read of older folks with weak hands and arthritis that use guns like the Ruger Bearcats in 22 LR for a self-defense gun. That's all they could manage and someone pointed one of these at me, I would take notice.
 
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