sidheshooter
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As well, I'd be interested in the top three most valuable lessons learned from whatever training garnered your poll response.
TIA.
TIA.
The thread from the dead had a good question: Who here has had training?
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earthworm
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I learned...
1.If you carry a gun carry a light.If you don't carry a gun carry a light.
2.When reloading have your hand on your reload before you empty your gun.
3.MOVE! Get off the X,& yes you can make hits while you move.
4.A .32 in the hand beats a .45 in the drawer.
5.Murphy is always with you.
6.Mindset beats equipment.Run what ya brung.
7.GOOD training tests your equipment as well as teaching you.
8.There is no such thing as overtraining.Old dogs CAN learn new tricks.
9.Price does not equal quality.
10.Only hits count.
1.If you carry a gun carry a light.If you don't carry a gun carry a light.
2.When reloading have your hand on your reload before you empty your gun.
3.MOVE! Get off the X,& yes you can make hits while you move.
4.A .32 in the hand beats a .45 in the drawer.
5.Murphy is always with you.
6.Mindset beats equipment.Run what ya brung.
7.GOOD training tests your equipment as well as teaching you.
8.There is no such thing as overtraining.Old dogs CAN learn new tricks.
9.Price does not equal quality.
10.Only hits count.
Bailey Boat
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MY only training goal is to meet my own expectations with MY skillset and MY weapon. MY goals are lofty and constantly change therefore so does my practice routine.....
grnzbra
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1. Spend less time on the range and more time in the gym/dojo.
2. Techniques that work beautifully in IPSC/IDPA fall apart when there are bullets coming the other way.
3. Woe unto the man who insists on bringing a gun to a knife fight.
2. Techniques that work beautifully in IPSC/IDPA fall apart when there are bullets coming the other way.
3. Woe unto the man who insists on bringing a gun to a knife fight.
possum
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i am in the infantry, and have been for 6 years (Army)
i have trained with members of the AMU,
at Blackwater, tactical response, ICE (combat focus shooting) and at TDI ohio.
i have trained with members of the AMU,
at Blackwater, tactical response, ICE (combat focus shooting) and at TDI ohio.
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possum
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some of the best things i have learned from training courses include.....
what the body/ brain does during a dynamic critical incident. the o.o.d.a loop etc.
the balance of speed and precision, how and when to use sighted/ unsighted fire.
not how to shoot, but how to fight with different weapon systems. ( i was an accurate shooter before my first course.)
long range precision marksmanship.
why it is so important to use a sand sock and how too make and use it.
tactical reloads and why they are so important.
bring a back up if you can.
run good gear/ guns, and use quality ammo.
use the guns/ gear that you will most likly in a fight.
how the human eyes work and track.
the legal aspects of a fight.
malfunction clearance, not only type 1-3 but al so how to do strong and or weak hand only too.
e&e training in the military
there are man more and i will repost when i remember more/ look at my training log book for lessons learned.
what the body/ brain does during a dynamic critical incident. the o.o.d.a loop etc.
the balance of speed and precision, how and when to use sighted/ unsighted fire.
not how to shoot, but how to fight with different weapon systems. ( i was an accurate shooter before my first course.)
long range precision marksmanship.
why it is so important to use a sand sock and how too make and use it.
tactical reloads and why they are so important.
bring a back up if you can.
run good gear/ guns, and use quality ammo.
use the guns/ gear that you will most likly in a fight.
how the human eyes work and track.
the legal aspects of a fight.
malfunction clearance, not only type 1-3 but al so how to do strong and or weak hand only too.
e&e training in the military
there are man more and i will repost when i remember more/ look at my training log book for lessons learned.
ChCx2744
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I have basic SMAC, GMAC, TRA, warehouse clearing, confined space clearing and ASSC with my LE training. I've done some personal, group-based in service training at the Marine Corps base in Smyrna. Of course, before all the "professional" *cough cough here comes the flame haha* training, I was taught fundamentals of gun saftey and common sense when I was younger from my elders. Everything else I do currently is just re-qualifications from time to time and self-practiced drills...I.E. LOTS of grip and trigger control, mixing in snap caps with live rounds/malfunction drills, DRAWING DRAWING DRAWING, reloading/shooting from/behind cover, sometimes I even do shoot-while-moving drills, if the instructors permit us to do so...They just got done installing a new obstacle course and installed an extra 50 yard moving target course my department range...So my training regime may change for the better soon 
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mesinge2
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My father was a NYPD Swat team member and my mother was an officer. From the time I was 12 I went shooting with them. I can still hear, "weapons at the ready; ready on the right, ready on the left, ready on the firing line, commence firing" and "cease firing on the firing line."
By the time I went it LE, I already new how to do it. The only thing that changed was the weapons.
By the time I went it LE, I already new how to do it. The only thing that changed was the weapons.
ChapNelson
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Mililtary training & trainer since '87 including soviet & chinese individual and small unit training, SF, COIN, CI, CT, CQB, and some LE (in prep for OIF), as well as standard individual, fireteam, squad, platoon, company and most recently battalion level infantry skills/ops. Worked with indigenous units from Arab and African countries, and picked up a little (machetes are awful). Also shot competitively in civilian leagues, and love things with triggers. Learned alot by keeping my ears open and my yap shut, most recently some individual CQB stuff that while I didn't run the course, it flowed naturally from previous training.
1. 4 fundamentals
2. One Mind, Any Weapon
3. Teamwork
1. 4 fundamentals
2. One Mind, Any Weapon
3. Teamwork
Deltaboy1984
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Be conscious of your heart beat and shoot between the beats.
Get and maintain a good site picture.
Move and use cover.
Carry at least 2 full reloads.
Remember your handgun is a tool to get you to your Rifle.
Be aware of your surroundings.
Be nice to everyone you meet and have a plan to kill them.
Practice Daily start slow and build speed overtime.
Master Trigger Control.
Be sure of your backstop.
Get a gun that you WILL CARRY. For me it wound up being a Charter Arms Undercover 38.
Dress to the Gun and not the other way around.
Have less than lethal methods at your disposal.
Killing a man changes you for life.
Get and maintain a good site picture.
Move and use cover.
Carry at least 2 full reloads.
Remember your handgun is a tool to get you to your Rifle.
Be aware of your surroundings.
Be nice to everyone you meet and have a plan to kill them.
Practice Daily start slow and build speed overtime.
Master Trigger Control.
Be sure of your backstop.
Get a gun that you WILL CARRY. For me it wound up being a Charter Arms Undercover 38.
Dress to the Gun and not the other way around.
Have less than lethal methods at your disposal.
Killing a man changes you for life.
JMusic
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I've had multiple training and I think I learn something everytime I shoot not counting courses. I don't believe you need a course to carry a firearm. Courses no matter what type bring in tactics and many times help you ID bad habits.
Jim
Jim
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Although I've had training from multiples of the above (family, friends, self taught, and LE) most of the techniques that I continue to use and practice I learned during my LEO training, so that's where my vote goes.
freakshow10mm
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Nothing is simple about a gun fight.
Get aggressive, get violent, get hits.
Expect everything to go against you.
Get aggressive, get violent, get hits.
Expect everything to go against you.
sohcgt2
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Everything else builds on these basics.
1) See my sig line. You will do in a fight what you have done in training. If your training is crap, expect a crap response from yourself when the gauntlet is thrown down. If you have done no training, expect to freeze, flee, or put up an ineffective fight.
2) Take in a variety of techniques and opinions on any number of tasks. Keep or modify what works, then train with it until you can do it in your sleep. Jettison anything that doesn't work.
3) People get way too caught up in gear. For the well-trained person, almost any gun will do.
Sight picture isn't always necessary, nor will one always have time for it.
2) Take in a variety of techniques and opinions on any number of tasks. Keep or modify what works, then train with it until you can do it in your sleep. Jettison anything that doesn't work.
3) People get way too caught up in gear. For the well-trained person, almost any gun will do.
Sight picture isn't always necessary, nor will one always have time for it.
Seriously? We're considering self-taught to be trained? Doesn't that make everyone who knows how to work a weapon 'trained'?
I learned:
-Legal, safety, and basic shooting principles from a couple of NRA courses. Backed that up with some books.
-Weapons presentation, retention, and defense from LE (wanted to be a LEO for awhile, follow in my father's footsteps. Changed my mind when my first child was born)
-Long-range rifle marksmanship from the range master (very fun and knowledgeable old man) at the range I frequented after I bought my first rifle at 18 (an 8mm VZ-24).
-A bunch of other stuff I taught myself or picked up in books. I'm well known in my line of work for radical ideas and thinking outside the box. I try to apply that same kind of thinking to everything I do and once in awhile I come up with something that actually works.
I still don't think of myself as 'trained.'
I learned:
-Legal, safety, and basic shooting principles from a couple of NRA courses. Backed that up with some books.
-Weapons presentation, retention, and defense from LE (wanted to be a LEO for awhile, follow in my father's footsteps. Changed my mind when my first child was born)
-Long-range rifle marksmanship from the range master (very fun and knowledgeable old man) at the range I frequented after I bought my first rifle at 18 (an 8mm VZ-24).
-A bunch of other stuff I taught myself or picked up in books. I'm well known in my line of work for radical ideas and thinking outside the box. I try to apply that same kind of thinking to everything I do and once in awhile I come up with something that actually works.
I still don't think of myself as 'trained.'
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Fred Fuller
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NUMBER 1:
http://www.teddytactical.com/archive/MonthlyStudy/2006/02_StudyDay.htm -- Skip Gochenour
Pretty self explanatory from the notes, but the notes don't hold a candle to the lecture as delivered live. Some of the best training I have ever had in the classroom. And Skip is a literal walking-around treasure. I heard/saw this lecture at Andy Stanford's Glock Summit in Titusville, FL in Oct. 2006, and I wish everyone here could have been there.
NUMBER 2:
"Get back in the fight!" -- R----- W----, C---- D-------- and others, Range 37, Ft, Bragg, NC
That means, "Don't quit till it's over no matter what." Doesn't matter what happened- primary weapon gone Winchester, jammed or broke down, whatever- transition to sidearm and SHOOT. Doesn't matter if you took a hit or hits- fight through it. Gotta support your people with whatever you can bring to bear. Doesn't matter if you have to pick up something off the ground and shoot it- do whatever you have to do to get back in the fight, until the fight is over.
NUMBER 3:
"Whatever happens, look cool." -- Louis Awerbuck, multiple classes, DPRC, Durham, NC
In order to look cool, you have to BE cool. In order to be cool in a tight spot, you have to have your feces thoroughly coagulated. Get your feces coagulated, and KEEP them that way, and you might actually live through the whole mess and not butcher some innocent person/people downrange somewhere into the bargain.
And I have to add another- John Farnam. John said, "People DIED so we could learn what we know about defensive pistol shooting today. It would be foolish to throw away such hard-won knowledge." http://www.defense-training.com/quips/2003/19Mar03.html distills a lot of what John teaches about the preliminaries as well as anything I have seen.
Louis Awerbuck says in most every class: "I will not be with you at your gunfight." But he will, if you've ever spent time on a flat range with him hauling you around by the sleeve, yelling in your ear, nitpicking what you do, fine-tuning how you do it, and just doing those things he does so incredibly well for his students. No, he won't be there physically. But he will always be there in the back of your mind because of the things he taught you.
The same thing goes for any good, memorable instructor. I was told of an old grizzled 5th Special Forces Group operator who ran across one of his old instructors in the airport at Kabul, and buttonholed the instructor long enough to tell him about hearing in his mind's ear those words from long ago in training- "Get back in the fight!"- in the middle of an intense episode.
Train as if your life depended on it, folks. It just might.
lpl
http://www.teddytactical.com/archive/MonthlyStudy/2006/02_StudyDay.htm -- Skip Gochenour
Pretty self explanatory from the notes, but the notes don't hold a candle to the lecture as delivered live. Some of the best training I have ever had in the classroom. And Skip is a literal walking-around treasure. I heard/saw this lecture at Andy Stanford's Glock Summit in Titusville, FL in Oct. 2006, and I wish everyone here could have been there.
NUMBER 2:
"Get back in the fight!" -- R----- W----, C---- D-------- and others, Range 37, Ft, Bragg, NC
That means, "Don't quit till it's over no matter what." Doesn't matter what happened- primary weapon gone Winchester, jammed or broke down, whatever- transition to sidearm and SHOOT. Doesn't matter if you took a hit or hits- fight through it. Gotta support your people with whatever you can bring to bear. Doesn't matter if you have to pick up something off the ground and shoot it- do whatever you have to do to get back in the fight, until the fight is over.
NUMBER 3:
"Whatever happens, look cool." -- Louis Awerbuck, multiple classes, DPRC, Durham, NC
In order to look cool, you have to BE cool. In order to be cool in a tight spot, you have to have your feces thoroughly coagulated. Get your feces coagulated, and KEEP them that way, and you might actually live through the whole mess and not butcher some innocent person/people downrange somewhere into the bargain.
And I have to add another- John Farnam. John said, "People DIED so we could learn what we know about defensive pistol shooting today. It would be foolish to throw away such hard-won knowledge." http://www.defense-training.com/quips/2003/19Mar03.html distills a lot of what John teaches about the preliminaries as well as anything I have seen.
Louis Awerbuck says in most every class: "I will not be with you at your gunfight." But he will, if you've ever spent time on a flat range with him hauling you around by the sleeve, yelling in your ear, nitpicking what you do, fine-tuning how you do it, and just doing those things he does so incredibly well for his students. No, he won't be there physically. But he will always be there in the back of your mind because of the things he taught you.
The same thing goes for any good, memorable instructor. I was told of an old grizzled 5th Special Forces Group operator who ran across one of his old instructors in the airport at Kabul, and buttonholed the instructor long enough to tell him about hearing in his mind's ear those words from long ago in training- "Get back in the fight!"- in the middle of an intense episode.
Train as if your life depended on it, folks. It just might.
lpl
NMGonzo
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Early training with my stepdad "Give them a chance to flee ... " He proved it many a time.
Later military "Best gunfight is the one that you can avoid"
Most of my duty was MP.
Later military "Best gunfight is the one that you can avoid"
Most of my duty was MP.
Silvanus
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Self taught as well as law enforcement (I learned more by myself than from the shooting instructors though).
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