the ultimate brush gun?????

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This whole issue comes up often. It seems it is less a subject of caliber, rifle or action ...and really more about just shoot a .30cal or wider bullet weighting at least 150gr or preferably over 180gr.
 
Personally, afairly short and light 30-30 would be my choice.Pistol caliber lever guns would fit the bill for the closer shots, but personally, I'd want something that has a little more punch, and less bullet drop in the event a longer shot does come up.Also, I think you get a better selection of ammo for hunting with the 30-30, especially with the lever evolution ammo out now.If I ever get around to getting it drilled and tapped for a scope (the newer models had better irons, and were already drilled for scopes, mines a very early model from the 60's), I think this would make a really good brush gun.Savage model 340, bolt action 30-30, with removeable 3rd magazine.They're cheap when you find one (I see them in pawn shops occasionally for like $100 or so), short, light, accurate (enough) and reliable.Also since they are cheap and not very pretty, you dont mind knocking it around on trees and such, which inevitabley happens (the nicer the gun, the more it happens though, darn Murphy and his silly laws.)Just my preferance though (and I'm partly biased for the bolt 30-30 since I have one), but for ME, being bolt action with a removeable mag is a big plus.LOTS of people do just fine with youth mdel bolt guns, and lever actions (incuding pistol calibers).The Savage is hard to beat for price though, and willget the job doe just fine.

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This whole issue comes up often. It seems it is less a subject of caliber, rifle or action ...and really more about just shoot a .30cal or wider bullet weighting at least 150gr or preferably over 180gr.

Yup.

Make mine a 308 BAR Shortrac with a peep sight. I'd also need to keep an old Model 99 in 300 around in hopes that some of it's class might rub off on the upstart.

Which one is number one? That BAR better never fail because I know that the M99 will ALWAYS perform.
 
jrfoxx i like your Savage sweet rifle. I own a few rifles that fit the bill. Two Mosin Nagants M44s one is a scout with a Darrel mount and 2-7 NcStar handgun scope the other has Mojo snap sights (front and rear aperture sights), Chinese SKS with tech sights, RomyG AK i built with a scout mount with a cheap BSA red dot and an extra base with a 2x BSA handgun scope that inter change in minutes or leave them both off and use the iron sights and a bone stock 94 Winchester in 30/30. I have worked accurate hand loads for all of these rifles and all of them except the Winchester can be reloaded quickly with stripper clips or swapping mags.

Mike
 
things I learned in this thread

1. A $75 Nc-Star on some see thru mounts is as robust as a $400 burris mounted on redfield bases

2. If you have a mishap air dropping into your favorite hunting spot and destroy $500 worth of optics you'll still want to hunt that day

3. you can kill deer 350yds away with a 30-06 but a 180grn sp will bounce off a deers hide inside 100yds. I guess that silly Okie was right when he told me his 30-06 did better at longer ranges cause the bullet had a chance to get hot in flight allowing it to "bust open" better

4. A 16" barreled Norinco SKS is more than powerful enough and accurate enough to take deer out to 300yds
 
Oh, man, that 340 takes me back. That thing was accurate as hell. :D Sold it to my uncle in a moment of poverty.

I think the "brush rifle" is just a way to justify a gun that can't shoot more'n 100 yards. I use my Remington M7 and Weaver 2x10x40 KV in .308 Winchester in brush, on senderos, in the mountains, on the west Texas desert, wherever I go to hunt. It hunts brush or canyon country and will take any game I hunt anywhere. There is no such thing as a "brush bucking" bullet. Don't shoot if brush is in the way and have a gun accurate enough to place the shot between twigs.

Keep your shotguns, your levers, your pump rifles, your semi autos, my little M7 is light, quick to the shoulder, accurate, and powerful and on 2x that scope is quick on target. Meanwhile, if I walk out to a sendero and get a 300 yard shot, I can do that, too. One rifle, do all. I have a Rossi 92 in .357, have taken one doe with it. It's mostly a range fun gun.
 
I dont know about " ultimate " but my remmington 141 .35 rem has taken a lot of game over the years , and i just picked up a savage scout in .308 that should do as well .
 
Hi McGunner,,,

Would have to agree that being in thick cover doesn't necessarily mean big bullets at slow speed. I've taken three deer with three shots from thick timber company land near Lufkin using a handy Ruger M77 "International", 243, 87gr bthp with the scope set on 2x. :cool:
 
Yep, that little Ruger is nice and so is my buddies short action Browning A bolt in 7-08. There are lots of choices in compact bolt guns that can do all and in good do all calibers not limited to 100 yards.

On the glass thing, yeah, drop your scope on a rock, and, well, you'd better check it out at a range before continuing. If it doesn't BREAK the scope, it's likely to knock it off zero if the fall is good enough, don't care how much the scope costs. I do believe in quality scopes and consider my KV minimal, but high quality enough to suit me. There's a point, around 400 or 500 bucks in scopes where you reach a point of diminishing returns. There are some good 200 dollar scopes out there, but I've had a cheap Simmons just go to crap on me from recoil forces, not from a drop. I won't do cheap any longer, sub-100 dollar, even though I have some really good Bushnell sportviews, well, strong scopes anyway. The optics suffer with price in the Bushnell line, but the scopes can handle the recoil at least. I steer way clear of Simmons (the one that screwed up on me) and don't care for Tasco, BSA, anything that cheap. Missing a deer and finding out it's the scope just sux. I sighted that Weaver in 10 years ago when I got it and every year I go to the range and it's still dead on, bouncing along in my old Toyota, even a boat trip once, and it's still dead on. But, I wouldn't have a good feeling if I dropped it on a rock.

When I put that rifle together, I put Millett steel rings and mount on it and got millett "scope topper" top rings with a set of iron sights built in. The sights have all of 4" of sight radius and are way high over the scope to be useful quickly, but I had 'em layin' around for use on a Contender barrel and just decided I'd put 'em on the rifle, instead. Should I whack the scope in the field, I'd still be able to hit out to 100 yards with those sights until I could get to a range to sight back in, but I've never had the problem. I don't go around whackin' the gun on stuff. Personally, the scope is so much better a sighting system than irons, so much quicker on target with no alignment of multiple focus points, and much better in low light when you can't even see irons. The M7 didn't even come drilled and tapped for irons, but if it had irons, I would not use see through mounts. I want the scope mounted where it falls naturally in front of my eye with a normal cheek weld on the gun. The irons are just back up. See through mounts mess up the scope alignment and are fugly, too. I have a buddy that likes see throughs and has a Browning BAR in 300 win mag with see throughs and a 4x16 or something stupid on it. I've argued with him over the stupidity of that set up, LOL, but he likes it and it's his gun. I wouldn't set it up like that if it were mine, though. I don't particularly like the gun, for that matter, weighs a ton, long and bulky in a blind or stand, and the caliber is excessive for anything I'll ever hunt. But, everyone has their own ideas about what they like, I guess.
 
Shawnee,

My hunting land is thirty minutes away from yours!

But anyway, back on topic. I'm pretty sure that any rifle that's not a huge benchrested monstrosity that one is comfortable with and can shoot well would make an excellent choice for a "brush gun".
 
My Marlin Marauder in .35 Rem with Lyman receiver sight does pretty good in brush. However, my father bought a Remington Pump in .243 when they first came out in the 60s. He thought it would be a good deer gun up to 300 yards.

Can't say I remember him ever killing a deer over 50 yards away with it. Can't say I ever heard of him killing a deer anywhere buy the brushiest of swamps, but he repeated that number several hundred times over 40+ years. So, in the hands of the right indian, a .243 arrow works pretty good in brush.
 
Here is my idea of the ultimate brush gun. Marlin 1895G guidegun 45-70 topped with a 1-4.5x variable scope. It works well with a Lyman 66 receiver sight as well.
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That looks familiar. Here a brush rifle I set up for my wife:

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different guns for different situations

After getting the barrel of my standard Ruger 308 entangled in limbs trying to fire at a deer. I purchased a short light CZ 527 Carbine in 7.62x39 for heavy woods and swamp hunting. Don't need more than 100 yards in these conditions.

I am considered for a long time and am looking for a Ruger 77/44 for my sons first deer rifle. bolt actions are simple to learn and operate, the 44 mag will punch deer with enough power to 100 yards but lose energy fast enough that if he missed everything for 10 miles is not in danger.

just my .02 worth
 
SKS. a tuff, reliable, brush gun. dont have to worry about scratching the finish. ;)
 
The 336 30-30 is hard to beat, and is most probably the lightest of the bunch. But I have to agree with TCB in TN on the BLR (caliber of your choice).

I have the SKS (paratrooper) the 336T and the BLR 81. I like them all but the BLR is my favorite. I have a Burris 1.5 to 6 scope on it that works great in the brush. The draw back to the BLR is the cost. Also It's just a pretty rifle that you don't want to get scratched up. But just like a new car, after a couple dings you don't fret to much. Also the newer lighting models have an alloy receiver which cuts down on the weight.

I will say my backup rifle is the SKS (short barrel). I've bubbafied it a hoge stock an a Simmons 1.5 to 6 scope. I don't think I can scratch it up.
 
I've got one rifle that I consider to be a "brush gun", it's a REM mod 7 with the mannlicher stock in .350 Rem.

I mounted a Swarovski 1.25-4X professional in Warne QD rings just in case I break the scope dropping in or doing a combat roll out of my stand I can then switch to the irons.

It's not "ultimate" but it works pretty well and is light and handy. At 2700 FPS with a 225 grain, it's got some reach if needed.

Chuck
 
Another Model Seven here. Mine's a .308 that I installed in an H.S. Precision stock--much lighter than the original walnut. I mounted a Leupold 2-7X compact scope on it. It shoots 1.5 MOA consistently with 150 grain Remington Core-Lokts. Light and easily handled in brush country, but very capable out to 300 yards or more as well.

I have and shoot a Marlin 336RC set up with a Leupold scout scope on an XS Sight Systems base, and it makes a handy gun as well. But if push came to shove, the Model Seven would be my go to gun.
 
Krockus, who said anything bout nxstar??

Ya might want to actually read the original post, the OP is looking for 30/30 caliber balistics...... in which case yes the 7.62x39 is very well know to be the equal to but actually better as ya got spire type slugs......

Partner ya seem to think that when someone asks bout a BUDGET ultimate brush gun that means he is wanting to invest $2000 in the base gun then add $800 worth of optics then................ guess all them whitetails killed by SKS and heaven forbid AKM pattern rifles were just imagining they died....

Gee I needa light the pilot light on my furnace guess the ONLY way to do it would be to go roll out my Victor Journeyman torches huh? Ya might wanna cut back on watchin them "home improvement" re-runs there really are some things that can be accomplished within a budget bud....... or is my Barret the only possible way for me to reliably kill a jackrabbit at 100 yards as opposed to the Mossberg 44M I normally use???
 
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