Your way off the mark in regards to the 25/32 and 32/380. If you were paying attention to what I was saying you would have realized that given the right promotion along with a weapon that the people perceive to be of quality (notice I said perceive) that these cartridges have a lot to offer in performace over what has been available previously. Are you going to tell me that the original 25 acp. and original .32acp are better cartridges? I think not! The only problem with the newer cartidges is that people do not know they exist or how good they are and without the proper promotion they will never know. Without the proper payolay going to the Gun magazines the public never will know.
As I said before, just because a cartridge has a lot of merit like the .222 Magnum did, is no guarentee it will be accepted, largely because of the lack of education in the general public.
You are also almost 100 per cent wrong about the .270/280. While I will concede the .270 did have a big jump on the .280 nothing would have prevented an educated public from switching over to something way more versitile like the .280 because of all the heavy weight bullets that were readily available for it (notice I said readily available). And of course the 7x57 Mauser was available even before the .270 was but it did not and never has had the sensational press coverage the .270 got.
While the really knowledgeable riflemen who were few in number were using the 7x57, like Jim Corbett, who killed the most dangerous beasts of prey on earth , the' Man Eating Tigers of Kumaon' and W.D.M. Bell who blasted hundreds of the largest animal on earth off its feet with the 7x57 , the African Elephant ,neither man would have chosen to use the .270 if it had been available to them at the time and for a very good reason, it was way inferior to the 7mm because of the lack of heavy bullet weights available for it back then and even today.
So as you can see you were wrong Mike , History has proven you wrong. Perhaps you should read some of the classic books on hunting to find out how good and superior the 7mm's really were with their very long and heavy weight bullets.
So once again it is not how great a cartridge really is, its what kind of sensational press it gets and what kind of weapons it happens to be chambered in. Every wonder how far the .223 would have got if it had not become a military cartridge, it would have died on the drawing room floor.
And lets not forget what a failure the .264 Winchester magnum was. Not that is wan't a very good cartridge but it just never caught on.
And Mike if you think Remington dropped the ball when they brought out the 7mm Remington Magnum one of the most successful magnum cartridges of all time then you are not the gun writer you imagine yourself to be.
Ever hear of Warren Page Mike? Although he was not the charasmatic gun writer that old "Jack" was he was far more knowledegable about rifles than Jack could have ever hoped to have been. Not to knock Jack, he was one of my very favorites but Warren was the one that contributed most to the world of rifles both in the bench rest game and hunting fields. Rather than promote the inferior .270 he promoted the then wildcat 7mm Mashburn Magnum that eventually prodded Remington into bringing out their own 7mm Magnum.
And what did Warren use in bullet weights , he sure as hell did not use the 130 grain bullet or 140 grain bullet in the 7mm. He used a 175 grain bullet at a thundering 3,000 fps out of a 22 inch barrel. In other words he knew what Jack and you did not know and that was when shooting really big game the heavier weight bullets were the way to go. Thats exactly why he also did not choose the inferior light bullet shooting .270.
I am not knocking the .270 as a deer cartridge. Its probably one of the best, but it has not been and certainly is not even today the all round rifle the 7mm's are. Any gun writer that knows anything at all will tell you that and its no big secret even to non-gun writers as well.
And by the way Mike I own several .270's but I use them for deer size animals, not for hunting the really big game. I use the 7mm's for that.
As I said before, just because a cartridge has a lot of merit like the .222 Magnum did, is no guarentee it will be accepted, largely because of the lack of education in the general public.
You are also almost 100 per cent wrong about the .270/280. While I will concede the .270 did have a big jump on the .280 nothing would have prevented an educated public from switching over to something way more versitile like the .280 because of all the heavy weight bullets that were readily available for it (notice I said readily available). And of course the 7x57 Mauser was available even before the .270 was but it did not and never has had the sensational press coverage the .270 got.
While the really knowledgeable riflemen who were few in number were using the 7x57, like Jim Corbett, who killed the most dangerous beasts of prey on earth , the' Man Eating Tigers of Kumaon' and W.D.M. Bell who blasted hundreds of the largest animal on earth off its feet with the 7x57 , the African Elephant ,neither man would have chosen to use the .270 if it had been available to them at the time and for a very good reason, it was way inferior to the 7mm because of the lack of heavy bullet weights available for it back then and even today.
So as you can see you were wrong Mike , History has proven you wrong. Perhaps you should read some of the classic books on hunting to find out how good and superior the 7mm's really were with their very long and heavy weight bullets.
So once again it is not how great a cartridge really is, its what kind of sensational press it gets and what kind of weapons it happens to be chambered in. Every wonder how far the .223 would have got if it had not become a military cartridge, it would have died on the drawing room floor.
And lets not forget what a failure the .264 Winchester magnum was. Not that is wan't a very good cartridge but it just never caught on.
And Mike if you think Remington dropped the ball when they brought out the 7mm Remington Magnum one of the most successful magnum cartridges of all time then you are not the gun writer you imagine yourself to be.
Ever hear of Warren Page Mike? Although he was not the charasmatic gun writer that old "Jack" was he was far more knowledegable about rifles than Jack could have ever hoped to have been. Not to knock Jack, he was one of my very favorites but Warren was the one that contributed most to the world of rifles both in the bench rest game and hunting fields. Rather than promote the inferior .270 he promoted the then wildcat 7mm Mashburn Magnum that eventually prodded Remington into bringing out their own 7mm Magnum.
And what did Warren use in bullet weights , he sure as hell did not use the 130 grain bullet or 140 grain bullet in the 7mm. He used a 175 grain bullet at a thundering 3,000 fps out of a 22 inch barrel. In other words he knew what Jack and you did not know and that was when shooting really big game the heavier weight bullets were the way to go. Thats exactly why he also did not choose the inferior light bullet shooting .270.
I am not knocking the .270 as a deer cartridge. Its probably one of the best, but it has not been and certainly is not even today the all round rifle the 7mm's are. Any gun writer that knows anything at all will tell you that and its no big secret even to non-gun writers as well.
And by the way Mike I own several .270's but I use them for deer size animals, not for hunting the really big game. I use the 7mm's for that.
