There's Something About Side By Sides.....

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Dave McCracken

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When it comes to shotguns, I'm promiscuous. I like them all.

I can fondly gaze at hardware store bolt actions just like I do at one of Ivo Fabbri's shotgun equivalents of a Lamborghini.

Kindly words leave my lips when talking about IJ single shots, Savage pumps and even old Crescent family guns.

But, I noted something today at the weekly gathering of the Geezer Squad.

We're old or nigh to it. We like good shotguns, and some of us bring a different gun every week just to keep them exercised.

After our usual rite of Chinese Trap or Mongolian Wobble, we oft try each others guns just because playing with our toys is fun.

And we have learned to share.

Today saw our ranks down to four guys.

I had my B gun, a sporting O/U I am quite fond of.

Hollywood Marine had his Trap grade Model 12. Over 100K rounds through it and going strong.

Bobdog had a Miroku Charles Daley, a SxS of modest mein but excellently made.

And Al chose to bring a Grulla Sidelock, pretty as a speckled pup and lethal as heck.

After a round of Mongolian, I asked to try out Bobdog's Miroku. BTW, if you've ever seen a BSS by Browning, this is very similar. Mild beavertail forend, curved grip and a weight forward feel.

It swung with just enough gravitas to bust the presentations nicely, the targets busting with that center of pattern to center of target finality we all look for.

Then HW had to try out the Grulla. It's a Spanish version of British Best, with a splinter up front and a straight hand grip. Probably worth more than the truck Al carried it to the range in, it had that lithe and agile feel we associate with the term, "Game Gun".

I tried the Grulla too, and suffered through a first class case of the covets. It was more responsive, meaning one has to keep the swing going, but man, what a shotgun!

As we compared notes after, I was struck by a thought.....

The guns we pass around after the usual rounds are almost always SxS shotguns.

There's a couple Parker Reproductions, some of Doug K's Parkers, Al's Model 21s, and so on.

There's other shotguns that show up, including a Woodward O/U and a couple Purdey O/Us, some Perazzis and Blasers. But, the ones that get the attention all seem to be side by sides.

It's not that SxS shotguns are the bee's knees for clays. Steely Eyed Target Sharks go for O/Us and autoloaders. Hal M Hare does shoot a Model 21 when he Captains the USA Skeet team, but he's quite the exception.

Even among us geezers, High Gun often goes to an O/U or a well worn pump.

So why the attraction of the Horizontal Twicepipe?

Darnfino. Maybe it's just fun.

Discuss among yourselves......
 
I've always been a fan of side by sides. The gentleman who taught me everything I know about guns and hunting has a beautiful Ithaca 20 gauge side by side that is my favortie dove hunting gun in the world.
 
I don't have the answer, but I sure know what you mean. I think maybe in my case when I hold one, I can close my eyes and imagine I'm hunting with Mr. Buck, back in the old days. Or, that somehow I have magically been transported back to that now long gone Fox 20, and I am going to get a chance to do it all again, maybe better.
 
The SxS is just the ticket for upland grouse and similar game. Even though second shots are fairly rare, it's nice to have just in case you flush one in a more open area. The choice of two chokes is another big plus.

The O/U shares those virtues, but there is a subtle but important difference for the hunter. The SxS only has to open less than 45 degrees to eject the shells so you can reload, while the O/U has to open much wider to get the shell out of that bottom barrel.

If you jump a covey, fire off both barrels, and need to reload it's a tiny but maybe significant difference. Plus I just like the feel of a SxS better.
 
Thanks, folks. A couple things...

Good SxS shotguns excel when shots are tricky. A close flush in tight cover, a very fast teal jetting over the dekes, or that woody on a small creek leaving rat now while your partner steadies the canoe as you drift closer and you need to shoot fast off your knees..

Decent SxS shotguns shine in those conditions.

So do other shotguns. I've made shots in tight cover with a riot barrelled 870, and a friend was great in the brush with a well worn Polychoked A-5. He was a construction worker and had biceps that proved it.

But the short receiver and broad sighting plane of the SxS lends itself to that kind of challenge.

And as Bud says, the SxS is easier to reload fast.
 
The only thing I have against a SXS is I have yet to own one.
I was casually looking for a reasonably priced one when the axis of the world changed. For now being frugal seems to be the order of the day .... but someday my friends .... someday.
 
I quite like my 20 gauge Remington (Baikal) Spartan SXS. Nowhere near the price range or "Purdy" factor of many, but it is a great shooter that I have thoroughly enjoyed.

they just have a look and feel to them that cannot be matched by a pump, auto, or even a Over Under...
 
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I also am a sucker for SXS shotguns. I'll buy one though I don't need it if the price is reasonable for the gun just because it is a SXS. But I want a splinter or semi-splinter fore stock and external hammers are always a plus.
 
There was a CZ 28 gauge floating thru the for sale section that I was dribblin' at the mouth about but I had just "wasted" all the gun fund for a while on a B.O.A.R. Barrack Obama Assault Rifle
 
Bought my first in 1971. I loved it, Spanish built modestly priced (I was a college student after all) Felix Sarasqueta 12 gauge, fairly light, 3" chambers. It did duty for everything from high flying geese to doves to rabbits and even a few squirrel. I loved it. Then, along came the steel shot law in 1980 and I abandoned it for a used Mossberg I traded a guy out of. I shot one turkey with that old gun in the mid 90s, but rarely took it out to shoot otherwise in the years between 1980 and a couple of years ago when I finally bought my little Spartan 20 gauge. Now, it'd probably get snubbed at a trap and skeet range, but this little bugger is about as good as it gets for a field gun, especially in a harsh environment. I've shot doves and teal with it and it excels, very light, less recoil than the 12, interchangeable chokes, and steel shot compatible. I have rediscovered the joys and advantages of the SxS in the field with this gun. I still use my 12s on big ducks and have a 10 for geese now, but I love using that little 20. It opens my season every year now on doves, a Texas tradition. It ain't much, was in my budget, but it's a tough little bugger, for sure.

Good SxS shotguns excel when shots are tricky. A close flush in tight cover, a very fast teal jetting over the dekes, or that woody on a small creek leaving rat now while your partner steadies the canoe as you drift closer and you need to shoot fast off your knees..

Yes, and I'll add dodging and darting doves to that list! It really is nice on those early morning just after shooting time low flying and fast teal, too, as you mention. Man, those things can come out of nowhere and you gotta be quick!
 
Ill say that I am a fan of SxSs as well. The only reason that got me hooked on them though is the fact that it is just about the only option you have if you want double triggers. After that though I got to prefer them exclusively. Having double triggers is for me superior to all single trigger designs.
 
I took a Shotgun: Personal Defense class this weekend and everyone else had pump action tactical type shotguns. 'Course they were young guys and gathered around my Savage side by side as if it were a collectors item. Most said they had never seen one, only heard of it. This is a Fox model that I purchased new in mid 1960's and haven't shot in much too long, everything was stiff including me.
 
It maybe the cowboy, or too much Buckingham and Babcock in the long gone days of my youth.

But, the things are nigh ideal for hitting fast and small targets within modest range.

Few folks with a modicum of experience with shotguns in general shoot badly with a SxS. Not so true, IMO with other action types.

If I hit the Lottery for 40 acres and a John Deer Mule, the one toy I'd buy after taking care of the kids would be a SxS.

Probably an old A H Fox in 16 gauge.
 
4 safes full of guns, 10 sxs ,some fairly high grade, and I can't stop playing with the damn like new Savage 311h 12 gauge mod&mod 28".
I found out that Aguilla mini slugs aren't too loud, and starlings at 30 yards are still wasted with 7/8 oz of #12 without showering the neighbors house. I keep picking up that long elmer fudd 311H every time I walk into the gun room, walk outside and shoot it! Weird!
 
When I got out of college and started earning my own keep and just a little more, I bought a real nice retriever pup and a used '73 jeep Cherokee "Chief". The dog and I decided to become masters at finding and slaying pheasants and I decided that the 20g Ithaca 37 I got at 14 years of age was no longer enough gun. (funny how many roosters it slaughtered before then.)
I bought a 12g Browning BSS with 26" of tube and got serious about roosters. The dog earned his PHD (pheasant hunting degree) with 88 retrieves his first season in 4 states. We busted the worst brush and heavy cover and killed truckloads of wild birds over the years.
My dad went on a quest for a 20g BSS and found one NIB several years after they stopped production. I inherited it at his death some years ago and it really is a much nicer handling shotgun. I have no experience with the classic european or finer double guns but I have no complaints with my Miroku Brownings.
 
Maybe it's just me being young, but SxS shotguns annoy me. Never fired one, but that's not the issue... it's not a cosmetic issue either. It's the forearm. For long guns, I need a forearm that allows my hand to be completely wrapped around it. SxS shotguns usually have a relatively flat forearm that leave some of my hand on the barrel or somewhere. Just sort of annoys me, that's all... different strokes for different folks, I guess...
 
SxS shotguns are just plain and simply cool as heck. That's it for me. My only shotgun (yes, I need to fix that) is a pre war Model 24 Winchester SxS. The full choke will reach waaaay out there.

PS. I am not a particularly good shotgunner, but I will never part with this gun. It is sweet.
 
I have had an eye on side by sides for a while and seriously considering buying one. I honestly think that they are faster than a pump and more reliable (less parts to fumble on) in my opinion) I always carry my G17 and looking to add a side by side to my arsenal. I have an 870 but when I handled a short side by side I loved how light it was to handle and its simplicity. Can any of you experienced side by side guys tell me if they are faster than a pump. Thanks
 
Dave - there's nothing wrong with a SxS.............it may not always be the easiest to shoot, but it definitely has the most class of any gun......nostalgia aside, it is THE standard.......and that Grulla is one of the best.........these beat the BSS hands-down for agility, balance and over-all handling......of course their cousins down the street at AyA, Arreita, Arrizabalaga have all proven to be the equal of the their Brit counterparts........there's something special about a bird brought down by one............no matter the bore size......
 
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