They Took The Guns Away,now What A Bloody Mess.

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In The Future.......... A Public Announcement

Now that everything that can do injury to another has been banned, we've noticed that large men [I.E. anyone over six feet and two hundred pounds] pose an unnecessary risk to .............
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Guess it will never stop
 
Can't wait till they ban penises just in case the owners thereof try to rape someone - I mean, possession of a tool is proof of intent, right?
 
A few drops of certain OTC meds can actually kill a person (Wedding Crashers depict very mild symptoms of this method). Plastic bags suffocate, Toe Clippers have attachments that can be sharpened, Hair Spray and a Match can be deadly, Audio Cassette tape can be used to strangle, as can the headphone wire of any iPod. Credit Cards can be sharpened to slice a throat, Cajun Pepper can blind. Everyday items can be used as a weapon and in the absence of real weapons, are used as weapons, anyone catch the new NBC series of all the Prison Reality TV? If they outlaw knives. will forks be next?

They don't need to ban Penises, I am already impotent from fear of the do-gooders.
 
This is why it's important to be heard. To fight now. Most people recognize that self defense is a right. write the editors of your local papers. Let the untaped masses know they are not alone. I would certainly like to see something like a non binding resolution from congress declaring self defense to be a "fundamental human right". Congress leans our way on this, and it would set the tone and send a message to the incoming president whoever he/she may be, that attacking the majority of law abiding citizens is not a good idea.
Why a non binding resolution? It's easy, it's quick, who's going to go on record telling their constituents they can't fight back if attacked.
*runs of to the activism forum giggling*
 
Can't wait till they ban penises just in case the owners thereof try to rape someone - I mean, possession of a tool is proof of intent, right?


That appears to be next on their list.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/mar/09/houseofcommons.medicalresearch


MPs back artificial sperm for childless


· Law change could help cancer victims
· embryo bill fuels impassioned debate

By: Gaby Hinsliff, political editor - The Observer,
Sunday March 9 2008


MPs are planning a change in the law to allow babies to be conceived from artificial sperm, a move described by opponents as playing God with human DNA.

A furious debate is building over how far to leave the door open to its use in IVF treatment, ahead of a Commons vote due shortly on the government's Human Fertilisation and Embryology bill. The legislation currently allows so-called artificial gametes in research, but imposes a blanket ban on their use in creating a human pregnancy.

The technique involves the creation in a lab of sperm grown from embryonic cells taken from the would-be parent. Although the science is in its infancy, it could ultimately help people rendered infertile by cancer treatment, or fortysomething women who can no longer produce their own eggs, to have children who are genetically related to them.

A cross-party group of MPs led by Liberal Democrat Evan Harris will table an amendment to relax the ban. 'There is no good explanation for not allowing this option for people who have survived cancer and cannot have children,' Harris told The Observer. 'This is a good bill, but the government needs to recognise a few improvements are still needed - such as allowing the use of artificial gametes - before we can say the UK has rational and progressive regulation.'

Dawn Primarolo, the Public Health Minister, confirmed last night that she was considering pleas from MPs and scientists to relax the ban. There was a 'powerful argument' that the new technique could help solve a shortage of sperm donors, she said, but she was sympathetic to arguments that a decision should not be rushed.

So far pregnancies have been successfully created only in mice: of seven born alive, all died prematurely. Experts believe it could be 10 years before a human pregnancy could be safely attempted. But scientists have cultured human sperm using stem cells - immature building blocks containing DNA - taken from bone marrow.

Last night Josephine Quintavalle of the campaign group Comment on Reproductive Ethics said lifting the ban could lead to 'the ultimate incest' of an

individual trying to create both sperm and eggs from their own tissue, making them both mother and father of a child. It was 'quite ridiculous' to rely on the potential of a technique still in its infancy, she said: 'If you turn the focus around from infertile adults and think about what you are creating, you always get the perspective you should adopt. I think we are becoming extremely selfish in our attitude to the children we produce.'

Scientists however argue that research will be halted if there is no chance of being able to use the technique in IVF treatment. Dr Allan Pacey, secretary of the British Fertility Society, said ministers had not properly explained why they wanted a ban: 'I think if you talk to people - take the example of a cancer victim who hasn't got any sperm or eggs because they've had chemotherapy - if you get to the step where we could make it for them, most people will say they can see the benefits,' he said.

Although the bill allows for research Pacey said 'nobody is going to be able to convince a UK funding organisation to fund research in this area' unless it could ultimately be used in treatment.

Harris's amendment would add a so-called regulation-making power to the bill, a device ensuring that if the new technique were proven safe for humans, MPs could nod through a decision allowing it to be used in IVF without a full parliamentary debate and vote. It would also stipulate that the gametes should come from two halves of a couple, ensuring the technique could not be used for a single parent to become both mother and father to the same child.

The approach is expected to be backed by the British Medical Association, the Medical Research Council and the Royal College of Obstetrics and Gynaecology.

Primarolo said she was still consulting on the issue, but added: 'The research can be done, and the issue is whether we legislate to say if it were successful it could proceed. There are some who are saying - and I think these are strong arguments - that it does raise some profound ethical questions.'

You don't get much more FUBAR than that...
 
knives are lousy weapons for self defence and children shouldn't be carrying weapons for self defence period.
"he disrespected me so I stabbed him "
rather than arresting and jailing anybody found carrying a knife bit of sense carrying a pocket knife leatherman etc allowed unless your in a pub club school.
going to scouts camping cadets fishing etc yes. hanging about with your gang nicked :evil:
its called discretion
 
My Swiss Army Knife has served very well at Church (the little things that have to get fixed or cut). My three-year-old son knows that I can cut his straw down in any restaurant as well (and often hands it to me to cut down).

Is it serious that the Brits wish even pocket knives to be banned? That is indeed a shame if true. It would show a complete lack of trust in the people and, by denying such tools, showing that the people are certainly not citizens in any meaningful way.

In any case, a broken bottle in a pub is a far more frightening weapon than a knife.

Ash
 
Someone said that most violent crime was perpetrated by men (boys) under 23 years old. That is so true,but look one step further and you will find that most of them had no father or an absent father. Very many boys today (and thirty years ago, but far more of them today) grow up without a positive male role model, they realise quite early that they are boys, not girls like mommy, so they realise that they must build their identity on something else than what it is to be a girl/woman. But building your identity as a man out of "not being a woman" when the women around you are : Responsible, loving, caring, nurturing, law abiding, honest, good friends, kind to animals, hard working and so on means that you may believe that these traits are not for men. You can see where we are heading with this.
At least in sweden kindergarten as well as school up to and including junior high is virtually male free zones, i guess it is kind off the same in GB and the USA.
If you grow up without any male role models until age sixteen (when you hopefully get a couple of male teachers in highschool) you will need to do quite a bit of remodeling of your concept, based on role models limited by a highly regulated environment, in a short few years, you can see that we have a problem here.

To compound this problem we have a environment where families move far apart, if you are a single mother trying to raise your son sin LA, while your parents live in Miami and your brothers live in alaska and wermont you have no substitute male role models at hand to let your boys see what being a man means.

Being raised without male role models isnt good for girls either, but with any luck they only become quite stereotypic women instead of nuanced humans, while the boys in far to many cases become either pussys or raving monsters.
We need to create an environment where children have good abundant access to rolemodels of both sexes and where they can participate in much of the everyday life of adults and senior citizens and that way see what it is to be a human being. We also need to let children partake of responsibility from an early age. A five year old is old enough to feed the chickens on his own. A six year old IS old enough to learn to shoot. A seven year old is quite often old enough to have a knife of her own. A four year old is old enough to realise that you may have to do something to get a treat.

We need to dare to get involved in other peoples lifes, it may be scary for a single middleaged man to actually tell the singlemothers two houses down child off for pulling a prank, and even more scary to let the kid help you while painting the fence or let it look at your rifle and ask the mother to bring the kid and come with you to the range, but we need to don this,if we dont want society to produce monsters, we, everyone of us must take part in producing a society that doesnt produce monsters, and that means partaking in our neighbours lifes, wether they ask for it or not. Show the kids that a responsible man (or woman) takes responsibility for everyone in their society, show the little boy that a man is often caring and nurturing and always responsible. Show by example to both boys and girls that men and women arent antipoles, but human beings made up from a multitude of traits and that the only true difference is gender identity, not capacity for compassion, capacity for violent emotions and so on.
If the single mother tells you off for telling of her kid, then take the responsibility to parent her. Many "adults" of today havent had the privilege of adequate parenting, so give it to them now, it is never to late to learn the lessons of youth.
 
They keep banning all this STUFF.

Guns, now knives, what's next? I think a table leg makes a great weapon...

Why don't they just ban violence and that will solve the problem. :cuss:
 
Funny you mention a table leg. A few years ago a man here was shot by Armed Poilice who believed that he was armed. It was a sawn-off table leg in a plastic carrier bag.
 
Self Defense

Does any culture still support the concept of self defense?

It seem to me that the root issue is whether or not you are allowed to make the decision yourself that a situation requires quick and decisive violence for a just resolution.

Making that decision falls into the concept of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" that some Americans still hold dear.

Does any other country still include the basic right to self determination in their "rights" ?
 
While they're at it, they might as well ban matches, pruning shears, barbed wire, gasoline, hammers, rocks, frozen sausages and hairbrushes. All have been used to kill people.

Maybe they should just ban people.

PJ
 
the table leg shooting may have been a cock up
also suggestion may have been suicide by cop attempt to claim compensation for being arrested:fire:
there is a problem with inner city teenagers carrying and stabbing each other mostly. children should not be carrying weapons for self defence there not mature enough to handle the responsibility
 
I have no idea how now those nitwits conquered half the world.

I was flying through Heathrow in Dec. 2001- At one security checkpoint they insisted on taking my disposable cameras out of the packaging, then at the next they insisted on taking out the film- and ruining them.

Despite all that security there was an unlocked toolbox on the bus to the plane with hammers, screwdrivers, a cordless drill and a box cutter!!! - I guess they didn't realize that's what the 9/11 hijackers were armed with.
 
"Fear the government that is big enough to give you everything as it is also powerful enough to take everything"
I would credit this to who ever if I could remember who.
 
how did this ever become prophetic?

Instructor: How to defend yourself against a man armed with a banana. Now, it's quite simple to defend yourself against a man armed with a banana. First of all you force him to drop the banana. Then, you eat the banana, thus disarming him. You have now rendered him 'elpless!

Student 1: Suppose he's got a bunch.

Instructor: Shaddap.

Student 2: Suppose he's got a pointed stick.

Instructor: Shut up. Now you, Mr Apricot.

Harrison: 'arrison, sir.

Instructor: 'arrison. Come at me with that banana. Hold it like that. Now attack me with it. Come on! Come on! Come at me then!

Harrison: Aaaaaaghhhh!

(Harrison raises banana, charges. Instructor draws revolver and shoots Harrison, who drops to the floor, dead.)

Instructor: Now, I eat the banana.
 
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