They want your ammo - Voters should have paid attention.

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If they can't take your guns, they'll take the next best thing.
Remember how the Obamanation said that he wasn't going to take your
guns? Well, it seems that his minions and allies in the anti-gun
world have no problem with taking your ammo!

The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and
Indiana ) requires all ammunition to be encode by the manufacture a
data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy
and what calibers.

Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the
ammunition is coded. Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be
destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including handloaded ammo.) They will
also charge a .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy
will go up at least $2.50 or more! If they can deprive you of ammo
they do not need to take your gun!

This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama, Arizona,
California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky,
Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania,
Rhode Island, South Carolina,Tennessee, and Washington.

To find more about the anti-gun group that
is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each
state, go to: http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm

As most are aware the anti-gun politicians are Democrats, why any gun owner who would vote such is devoid of good sense.

Swamper
 
are ammo manufacturers and the NRA teaming up to fight this? who do we really have to counter all this bullcrap for us these days? (besides us, of course) btw this has already been brought up before, but i renew my concern that the NRA isn't enough anymore. we need more money and another organization.
 
http://www.senate.mo.gov/08info/BTS_Web/Bill.aspx?SessionType=R&BillID=148094

SB 1200 - This act requires the department of public safety to develop and maintain an ammunition coding system database containing certain information provided by manufacturers and vendors of firearm ammunition. The information shall only be made available to law enforcement agencies to be used in criminal investigations. The database shall be developed and operational by January 1, 2009. Manufacturers and vendors that do not provide the required information shall be subject to civil fines.


The cost of maintaining the database shall be paid from the newly created "Ammunition Coding System Database Fund". Vendors of firearm ammunition shall charge an additional one-half cent per bullet or round of ammunition and the money shall be forwarded to the state treasurer to be deposited into the fund.


Under this act, a person commits the crime of unlawful sale of uncoded ammunition if he or she sells any ammunition that has not been coded after March 1, 2009. Unlawful sale of uncoded ammunition is a Class A misdemeanor. A person commits the crime of unlawful possession of uncoded ammunition if he or she possesses ammunition that has not been coded or where the code has been rendered unreadable after January 1, 2011. Unlawful possession of uncoded ammunition is Class A misdemeanor. The term "coded ammunition" shall mean a bullet carrying a unique identifier that has been applied by etching onto the base of the bullet projectile.
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The OP has serious validity! :cuss::banghead::fire: Why have I not heard about this from the NRA/ILA? I thought this was another Tinhat posting.
 
The technology is not proven!

This reminds me of the scheme to serialize firing pins so that a cartridge could be traced back to a particular firearm. Several people pointed out that the firing pin could be easily manipulated. Have you ever lost a piece of brass while you were out shooting at the range? Happened to me once or twice i think! :) What if a criminal found the above lost case and placed it at the scene of a crime?
Carrying on with the above example, have you ever found a bullet down range after you were shooting? What if the same criminal found one of my bullets and placed it at the scene of the crime?
Also with the wide availability of reloading dies and inertial driven case pullers what will stop criminals from "pulling" bullets and modifying the serial numbers?
I'm not a genius, but even i was able to think of the loop holes involved with the two proposed safety measures.
Police would be lead on wild goose chases interviewing non-criminals and be even more over burdened than they already are.
I did the calculations, and with the proposed $.05 tax on each round, a bulk box of .22 would cost an additional $25! I have though for years that if they can't take my guns, then taxing the hell out of ammo would be the next best thing. Once again the only winners will be the criminals.

Chicken-Farmer
 
The OP has serious validity! Why have I not heard about this from the NRA/ILA? I thought this was another Tinhat posting.
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There are literally thousands of proposed bills in each state every legislative term. 99% of them never come out of committee.

Do you really want to have panic over all of them?

Always a good idea to keep an eye on what's proposed, another entirely to panic every time.

If they come out of committee then it's time to jump and start making the phone calls.

Til then, keep a close eye on your state and be patient.

Here's an example from my own state.... died in committee of course....how would you enforce this any easier than serialized bullets. It's all talk.

ECTION 1. Subchapter D, Chapter 33, Education Code, is amended by adding Section 33.088 to read as follows:

Sec. 33.088. SEXUALLY SUGGESTIVE PERFORMANCES PROHIBITED.

(a) A school dance team, drill team, cheerleading team, or similar performance group may not perform in a sexually suggestive manner at an athletic or other extracurricular event or competition sponsored or approved by a school district or campus.
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I swear I remember seeing one a few years ago about some kind of bizarre public toilet thing in state provided highway rest stops but I can't find it now.

Also died in committee. These guys line up to propose silly crap, most of it dies thank God. But, whatever elected idiot proposes it gets to go home to their constituents and talk about how they are "doing something" up at the capitol.
 
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This would be almost impossible to enforce, wouldn't it? Buying lead billets would certainly still be legal, so folks could still cast their own bullets. Reloaders aren't just going to roll over and hand in their presses. There will be an underground ammo industry. They can't serialize smokeless powder and serializing primers wouldn't make much sense if all the cases are serialized by law. Many folks just leave their brass at the range, so reloaders can pick that up, as they do now, and the serial numbers mean nothing.
 
are ammo manufacturers and the NRA teaming up to fight this? who do we really have to counter all this bullcrap for us these days? (besides us, of course) btw this has already been brought up before, but i renew my concern that the NRA isn't enough anymore. we need more money and another organization.
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We need somebody to do like what John McCain said he would do with people who introduce "pork" to bills.
Point out how ridiculous it is, and make the author famous for being an idiot.
 
Just read the one for S.C. and I don't think Gov. Sanford will let it fly here. Kind of screwed up that it is even an issue though.
If the number or whatever is on the base of the bullet itself, wouldn't it get pretty messed up upon firing anyway?
 
if it need be that ammo is tracked, then ill do it

now if they are messing with the second ammendment, then i say we start a protest!
 
Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the
ammunition is coded. Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be
destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including handloaded ammo.
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so, how are they going to know how much ammo i have already accumulated? and reloading supplies? are they going to raid my home?!?! IF, they were able to pass this into law, which they have not as of yet, i can see where they could raise the prices of ammo. but who is going to count, and enforce the ammo and reloading components sales? sounds like they would have to hire thousands of extra atf agents just to keep track, and then more to enforce it. and if enough of us bought to much ammo, how many jails would thet have to build to put us all in? i know this has been an issue that has been debated before. and we do have to keep an eye on it. but i can not see how anything but raising the price of ammunition would be enforcable. especially with an economy that is on the verge of colapsing. besides, how would obama be able to justify excess washington spending, since he said he would eliminate it!?
 
so, how are they going to know how much ammo i have already accumulated? and reloading supplies? are they going to raid my home?!?! IF, they were able to pass this into law, which they have not as of yet, i can see where they could raise the prices of ammo. but who is going to count, and enforce the ammo and reloading components sales? sounds like they would have to hire thousands of extra atf agents just to keep track, and then more to enforce it. and if enough of us bought to much ammo, how many jails would thet have to build to put us all in? i know this has been an issue that has been debated before. and we do have to keep an eye on it. but i can not see how anything but raising the price of ammunition would be enforcable. especially with an economy that is on the verge of colapsing. besides, how would obama be able to justify excess washington spending, since he said he would eliminate it!?
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This sounds very much like a means of tacking extra charges.
There's no way to actually enforce it, unless you catch somebody doing something else illegal - and come to find that on top of that they also have illegal ammo. Illegal gun? 3 years. Illegal ammo? add another 3 years. :rolleyes:
 
In AZ, this bill died in commitee, before being read.....in FEB., '08
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If you follow the link to Missouri SB 1200 above, you'll see that it also died in Feb 2008.

The first ludicrous thing about the proposed legislation is that the databases are supposed to be functional 28 days from today. When was the last time you saw a government agency move that quickly on anything? Relax.
 
keep saying tin foil , like you did to me last time i brought this up. Wake up!

I actually had a n email conversation with one of the main dudes up there at ammo accountability, what a winner. After two questions or so that were thoughtful and logical he simply cut off all contact. He tried to come off as a shooter and gun man but didn't know jack. They are using slick tactics to try to get in the ranks and divide gun folk, as always. Just be alert.
 
The first ludicrous thing about the proposed legislation is that the databases are supposed to be functional 28 days from today. When was the last time you saw a government agency move that quickly on anything? Relax.
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pfft - forget government response time - I build databases and software systems for a living. Something like this, to really get it designed, prototyped, and meet a basic proof of concept - forget actual implementation- just basic "yea,we can do this" - would take a lot more then 28 days....
 
all or most of these are dead in committee. I know there was some talk of the PA one a few months ago, and it was pretty much DOA. Just because some two-bit state senator proposed it doesn't mean it has any serious chance of becoming law.
 
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