They want your ammo - Voters should have paid attention.

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OK I understand it died in Committee and that's well and good. Here comes the butt--they got someone to sponsor it to that point. It only takes a slight swing and it's reintroduced. BS gets through in State govt. on a daily basis.

What scares me most is that unlike Microstamping and it's retardation finally left the building they came up with this. --I just want to note that there was a time in this country when they successfully passed Prohibition--maybe you've heard of it. To the guys on THR this idea of serialized or encoded bullets seems idiotic. To your garden variety elected state official -"Well it's not infringing on the 2A it's just a means of tracking down dangerous criminals and only a minor inconvenience for manufacturers--everyone wins."
 
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AZ legislature closed session back in July, reopen in January...this bill died horrible long ago. Even the Democrat congresscritters I spoke to back then said it was stupid.
 
A person commits the crime of unlawful possession of uncoded ammunition if he or she possesses ammunition that has not been coded or where the code has been rendered unreadable after January 1, 2011. Unlawful possession of uncoded ammunition is Class A misdemeanor. The term "coded ammunition" shall mean a bullet carrying a unique identifier that has been applied by etching onto the base of the bullet projectile.
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And just how do they plan to check if you are in possession of 'uncoded' ammo? Are they cops gonna carry bullet pullers and microscopes around?

It sure seems like a useless piece of legislation already but enforcing it would be a nightmare. Though I'm sure the proponents of the bill don't care, the coding company just wants the money and the politicians just want the publicity.
 
They want your ammo

"they" can have all the ammo coming out of the business end of my S&W 686-4pp:fire:...........just get to the front of the line for the best selection:evil:
 
This legislation is sponsored by Ammunition Accountability. That group is funded entirely by the company that owns the patent for and builds the machine that encodes the bullets.
They want to make it a law that bullets are encoded so that the bullet companies have to buy and license the encoding machine and pay a royalty per each bullet that is encoded.
If there was no requirement to encode the bullets, nobody would use the machines, and they don't make money.
That's why they are spending money lobbying to pass an ammo encoding bill in as many states as possible, hoping it becomes large enough a movement that it gets federal attention.

Nice, screw with our 2A for fun and profit.
 
This seems like this most corrupt move a company can make, lets build something, and then make it illegal not to have our product!!

Would love if the NRA or even ammo manufacturers sued their ass's off under something like the monopoly laws, because one company coming up with a product that you MUST buy from them and ONLY from them.
 
guys, fight it if the bill pops up.

it didn't take that much to kill this bill this year in Connecticut of all places.

real simple ...

1) cops don't think it's a good idea either

2) manufacturers won't ship ammo to law enforcement if this silliness passes.

if it could be stopped in anti-gun CT ... all ya have to do is lift yer pinky in other states to get it stopped.
 
Lets Email the Ammo makers and see what they say, while were at it contact your Congressmen and tell them you dont like the Idea.
 
This is a typical government solution.

The reality is that most gun-related murders (excluding suicides) are caused in the inner city and probably most of them are drug related. And, these same people are the reason that so many responsible people carry guns in cities.

Instead of taking the issue straight to these groups, the politically correct solution is to penalize the responsible people in the same way that the responsible people will pay the mortgage debt of the irresponsible.
 
ultimately it is going up as trial balloons to test resistance and paths of least resistance.
then make ammo prohibitively expensive (even reloaders have to re-up on brass now and again)
IT isn't so much the jail space you need worry about as making it a crime. The crime, then bans guns from your possession, they don't care if you spend one moment in jail. If you go to jail you quit paying taxes to feed , keep the fools from "for the first time not worrying about filling their gas tanks and paying their mortgages for them". No sir, you get a felony but little to no jailtiime. Now a "criminal" you just lose RKBA. Little chips at it, not big swings still the same result... more and more laws will make people run afoul of the law thereby disqualifying RKBA. They're just looking for the right "reasonable restriction" or law.
It was just the 60's when you could walk home with a Sears rifle down a New York street back home from the store you purchased it in. In those days current laws would be impossible to perceive or comprehend. Yet here they are....
 
The database shall be developed and operational by January 1, 2009
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I think that kills it altogether , for now anyway. They won't be able to achieve this under mandate by this time frame.It's also a couple of weeks before BO assumes office. After that. who knows?
 
There are literally thousands of proposed bills in each state every legislative term. 99% of them never come out of committee.
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And this is one of those. It died before it took its first breath in Indiana. California? It'll likely pass. I've come to expect anything from California's state government, and I feel for the good folks who live there.
 
I did the calculations, and with the proposed $.05 tax on each round, a bulk box of .22 would cost an additional $25!
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The SB1200 quoted says "one-half cent per bullet".

one-half cent per bullet != .05
one-half cent per bullet = .005


Bulk .22 = ~550rds.

550 * .005 = 2.75
Not 25.


There is no feasible way a process like this can work anyways, so the math is moot.
 
Yeah that .05 cent BS already failed here in PA. I'm not worried about it. "Obamanation" as you call him has bigger fish to fry than worrying about taking your guns. Another chicken little post. :banghead:
 
how about they put the money so that they can actually do something constructive? I guess they can try to engrave my 00 buck shot and slugs, oh yeah my muzzleloader will be interesting too, oh wait they should cut leather with every knife out there so they have records of how the slight difference in my knife cuts leather.... brand new of course cause once sharpened have to cut leather. OH WAIT how about making everyone that's physically fit have to wear 30lb weights on their arms so they can't fight back? Oh wait they get strong and then you get hit with a fist that now weighs 30lbs more.
 
raising taxes on ammo, hmmm, less people buy ammo, less tax money from ammo
congrats you just screwed yourself over

also, does this really affect prices to much other then .22 cal ammo witch is normally bought in bulk

i use to be affraid, but it wont happen
 
"Obamanation" as you call him has bigger fish to fry than worrying about taking your guns. Another chicken little post.
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I agree. Obama is a lot of things, but he isn't stupid. He knows that the last time the Democrats went on a gun-grabbing spree, it cost them control of congress for 12 years. I think it's highly unlikely that he'll spend his political capital going after the guns. And even if he does, any new gun laws will still have Heller to contend with.
 
I'm glad it died in SC, figured it would.

Yes it is a stupid bill, but that doesn't mean some twit wont try it again.

Here's hoping it's dead forever. Let's keep our eyes open for the next one.
 
Meet Mr. Russ Ford, the man behind the insanity

If you've got about 40 minutes, this video is well worth watching.

It is an NRA-ILA interview with Russ Ford of the Ammunition Encoding Systems.
(the video is at the bottom of the story)

I was amazed at how little Mr. Ford understood about the industry and his complete inability to answer simple questions. :scrutiny:

I think what it all boils down to is this: Mr. Ford came up with a way to write numbers on ammo. He wants to make money off the technology. He lobbies anti-gun politicians to FORCE ammunition manufacturers to implement his product. He doesn't care if it cripples the industry because he'll still be able to afford the ammo with all the money from his invention. :banghead: :fire: :cuss:


Oh yeah...and if I understand it correctly (not 100% sure), it would make reloading illegal too...that is, if you can't have unregistered unencoded ammo, then you can't have reloads...
 
i hate how stupid our govt is

we are in one of the worst recessions since the depression, some of the biggest employers in the country very well might go under and they are worried about guns?

people are having trouble affording stuff as is 2.50 extra ona box of ammo is 2.50 moe that some one may have to spend to keep meat on the table for their family

the best way to make them realize how dumb this is is it get a huge bag of brass fromt he range (20-30 different guns) and throw it on the floor while its being debated

and to all of you people saying the sky is fallling just remember its much easier to be proactive than to be reactive, you stop it early and you have a much greater chance than you do to get it reversed
 
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