They want your ammo - Voters should have paid attention.

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This garbage is totally unenforceable, how are they going to know you have "uncoded ammo". Are they going to raid your home? This requires a search warrant, you know that pesky 4th Amendment.:D Are they willing to go the time and expense to obtain thousands of warrants, just so they can check your ammo? I doubt it. LMAO@all of this.
 
Are they willing to go the time and expense to obtain thousands of warrants, just so they can check your ammo? I doubt it.

No, but let's say you get pulled over for something...like not paying your library fines. And you have your CCW on you...with your unencoded ammo in it. Suddenly your little library fine just got worse.


However, this is not really a concern for citizens. What it is a concern for is the ammunition manufacturers. After three errors in manufacturing/not having the numbers on the ammo or on there correctly, they get charged $10,000 per error/violation. That is at least what Mr. Ford's company has proposed in their lobbying legislation.
 
Fortunately this crap has yet to be proposed in Colorado, and with 100,000 NRA members in this state, it'd be dead on arrival.:)
 
Thank you, TexasR'man.

Good grief...why are so many people so addicted to finding something or another to scare the beejeezus outta them so that they can live in a perpetual state of paranoia?:scrutiny:

And...how, exactly, will 99 percent of "law abiding gunowners" be negatively affected by coded ammo?

And as far as all handloaders automatically becoming outlaws, that's classic slippery-slope baloney as it stands right now

"Eeeeekkkk! Run for the hills and git in yer bunkers! Theeeeyrrrr tekkin' errrr boollitts! Theeeeeeeyre tekkin' errrr guns!"

Think about it...in the terrifically unlikely event that this "goes down" in the manner described by the OP, the bullet gets serialized before it gets factory loaded, so it seems like a no brainer that they'll just serialize the ones that you and I buy before we handload 'em, too. likely only would need that factory made bullets be serialized, too--what's the diff between serializing them before the factory loads the rounds before you or I handload the rounds?

And, I daresay, most if not all of the folks who would form secret societies and meet in caves under the midnight moon to cast their own bullets
"just on principle" over this in the terrifically unlikely event that such legislation actually passed in the form described by the OP are actually already lawbreakers right here right now today in some way or another--poachers, tax evaders, illegal modifiers of arms, etc. Notice I didn't say everyone against this--though, again, as usual, the OP slams ALL Democrats and ALL liberals--is nuts, just the ones who are so doggone worried about having their boolits kept secret and untraceable (um, why?) that they decide to take action...

...and by the way, if a lot of folks afraid of this kind of thing really wanted to do something meaningful to protect their gun rights, they'd spend time in soup kitchens (and I don't need to hear from the 1 in 20 gun owners who already does this) and with Big Brothers/Big Sisters programs helping get at the socio-economic roots of the crime that fuels the fear that ultimately is the engine that drives misguided anti-gun folks to begin with. They ain't after my gun or yours, they're after inner city gangs, etc...so...diminish the social causes of gang proliferation, crime, etc, and you diminish gun violence, thereby doing more to meaningfully protect your gun rights and those of your progeny more than anything else...:what:

This kind of hysterical paranoia and fearmongering hurts EVERYONE, get it? From upward driven prices, downward driven supplies, and on to fanatics who start acting up giving everyone a bad name....

Gee whiz, Wally....:barf:
 
EXTRA, EXTRA! AKGuy LIVES IN FANTASY WORLD!

how, exactly, will 99 percent of "law abiding gunowners" be negatively affected by coded ammo?

By the increase in cost of production and fines that manufacturers will pass on to consumers.

seems like a no brainer that they'll just serialize the ones that you and I buy before we handload 'em, too.

If you'd watched the video I posed further up in the forum, you would see that this may not be as easy as you think.

And, I daresay, most if not all of the folks who would form secret societies and meet in caves under the midnight moon to cast their own bullets
"just on principle" over this in the terrifically unlikely event that such legislation actually passed in the form described by the OP are actually already lawbreakers right here right now today in some way or another--poachers, tax evaders, illegal modifiers of arms, etc. Notice I didn't say everyone against this--though, again, as usual, the OP slams ALL Democrats and ALL liberals--is nuts, just the ones who are so doggone worried about having their boolits kept secret and untraceable (um, why?) that they decide to take action...

This statement isn't helping you seem like a voice of reason...

*SARCASM ALERT* Be careful all you bullet casters and reloaders who might think serializing bullets is bad. You're just one step away from being already being "poachers, tax evaders, and illegal modifiers of arms, etc." :rolleyes:


and by the way, if a lot of folks afraid of this kind of thing really wanted to do something meaningful to protect their gun rights, they'd spend time in soup kitchens (and I don't need to hear from the 1 in 20 gun owners who already does this) and with Big Brothers/Big Sisters programs helping get at the socio-economic roots of the crime that fuels the fear that ultimately is the engine that drives misguided anti-gun folks to begin with. They ain't after my gun or yours, they're after inner city gangs, etc...so...diminish the social causes of gang proliferation, crime, etc, and you diminish gun violence, thereby doing more to meaningfully protect your gun rights and those of your progeny more than anything else...

Yes, I agree. Everyone should do their part to help the less fortunate not turn to a life of crime because of the circumstances they find themselves in. And extra kudos for the people in the same crappy circumstances who don't "turn to crime." However, the idea that 99% of the firearm restrictive legislation proposed by politicians will protect people and make it harder on criminals is a joke. When law abiding citizens are hampered by the crazy restrictions politicians want to impose, the criminals will still do what they do...break the law. How do you combat criminals? Armed citizenry, enforcement of our laws and penalties, and yes, community outreach.

You want a good reason for an armed citizenry? Take a look at the UN numbers on the increase of rape in Australia since they banned firearm ownership. Or for that matter, the general rise in the crime rate

No hard feelings AKGuy, but the idea that ammo serialization will reduce crime is a joke. It will, however, make it more expensive for manufacturers, consumers, and tax payers (since military ammo will be serialized too according to Mr. Ford).
 
I'll make a bet with anyone who wants to take it. Of the 18 states who have proposed this bill, for every state that passes it I'll give you 100.00. For every state that kills it or puts it in the legislative black hole of committee, you give me 100.00. I'll bet I collect on all of them.
After reading the OP, I ran outside to see how far the sky had fallen and by gosh it was still high up there. :)
 
Some asshat just introduced this in Georgia. It won't even get a committee, much less make it out of one.

For you guys in other states, I hope that you've taken the time to contact your legislator to let him/her know that you don't support the bill. If you think that other people will do it for you, don't be surprised if the bill makes it to the floor for a vote.
 
How would this effect hand loaders? Not at all? Just wondering?

Reloading would be illegal. So would your rig and all your powders, bullets, and primers. In fact, all non-encoded ammo would have to be turned in for destruction at a certain future date. After that date, possession of non encoded ammo is a crime.

Surreal, isn't it?
 
After reading the OP, I ran outside to see how far the sky had fallen and by gosh it was still high up there.

I don't get why people are saying the OP is presenting "sky is falling" material.

He doesn't really do much more in his OP than say that there is legislation being presented in some states that will affect people and companies negatively and gives the link to the people behind the legislation.

That's hardly a "sky is falling" post.

Perhaps the OP could have removed some of his comments about Obama and Democrats/liberals...would that have made the post seem less "sky is falling"

The point I think some are missing is that this legislation is active and is being pushed by enough people to be a cause for concern. Not hysteria, but concern. Will it fail? Probably. Is it our responsibility as citizens to be involved and voice our concerns? Absolutely. And regardless of whether you are for or against it, you should contact the leadership of your party and voice your view for or against it.

Have I contacted my state representative? You betcha.
 
http://www.senate.mo.gov/08info/BTS_...&BillID=148094

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SB 1200 - This act requires the department of public safety to develop and maintain an ammunition coding system database containing certain information provided by manufacturers and vendors of firearm ammunition. The information shall only be made available to law enforcement agencies to be used in criminal investigations. The database shall be developed and operational by January 1, 2009. Manufacturers and vendors that do not provide the required information shall be subject to civil fines.


The cost of maintaining the database shall be paid from the newly created "Ammunition Coding System Database Fund". Vendors of firearm ammunition shall charge an additional one-half cent per bullet or round of ammunition and the money shall be forwarded to the state treasurer to be deposited into the fund.


Under this act, a person commits the crime of unlawful sale of uncoded ammunition if he or she sells any ammunition that has not been coded after March 1, 2009. Unlawful sale of uncoded ammunition is a Class A misdemeanor. A person commits the crime of unlawful possession of uncoded ammunition if he or she possesses ammunition that has not been coded or where the code has been rendered unreadable after January 1, 2011. Unlawful possession of uncoded ammunition is Class A misdemeanor. The term "coded ammunition" shall mean a bullet carrying a unique identifier that has been applied by etching onto the base of the bullet projectile.
The OP has serious validity! Why have I not heard about this from the NRA/ILA? I thought this was another Tinhat posting.

If you look at the "All Actions" inside the link, it sems this died in committee last February.

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Range brass + dremel polisher to the "code" on the bottom of the bullet = problem solved. Any moron with with a press and a Home Depot nearby could defeat the traceability in 5 minutes.

Sounds like a good thing to spend some money on. :rolleyes:

I've *heard* that the guy who started the ammunitionaccoutabilitymoronsite.com is the guy that invented the patented "etching" technology that would be used. If so... well, that explains it. Its purely a commercial endeavor for him.
 
Some asshat just introduced this in Georgia. It won't even get a committee, much less make it out of one.

That's exactly what I thought when I saw it introduced here in Arizona. I was so sure that it would go down in flames that I didn't even bother spending the time to email my reps about it.

I am absolutely perplexed as to what these idiots hope to accomplish by introducing this in states like Georgia and Arizona. You'd think that they'd concentrate their efforts in states like California and Taxachussets where it actually has a chance of passing.
 
I've *heard* that the guy who started the ammunitionaccoutabilitymoronsite.com is the guy that invented the patented "etching" technology that would be used. If so... well, that explains it. Its purely a commercial endeavor for him.

He has a patent on the technology. Just watch the video at the bottom of the story...answers a lot of questions. Mr. Ford, the patent holder, provides all the info you need.

Mr. Ford developed the technology. He is then lobbying for it by pushing it to anti-gun politicians. In the end, if the average consumer has to pay more / manufacturers have to charge more, it won't matter to Mr. Russ since he will easily be able to pay for the ammo with the royalties from his invention.

Capitalism gone bad is what that is.
 
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Besides that, you'd think there would be plenty of ways to use that technology that would be a hell of a lot easier than getting ammo serialization bills passed. I don't see why it couldn't be used to serialize any very small metal component. There have to got to be applications for that somewhere besides dreaming up retarded ammo laws.
 
I don't get why people are saying the OP is presenting "sky is falling" material.

He doesn't really do much more in his OP than say that there is legislation being presented in some states that will affect people and companies negatively and gives the link to the people behind the legislation.

That's hardly a "sky is falling" post.
Agreed, but then some folk wouldn't be able to get all snarky over things, and where would be the fun in that? It's MUCH more enjoyable to poke fun at folk than it is to look for the signal that's buried in the noise.
The point I think some are missing is that this legislation is active and is being pushed by enough people to be a cause for concern. Not hysteria, but concern. Will it fail? Probably. Is it our responsibility as citizens to be involved and voice our concerns? Absolutely. And regardless of whether you are for or against it, you should contact the leadership of your party and voice your view for or against it.
We have a winner!

Regardless of how silly this legislation is, or how unlikely it is to make it out of committee - each of us needs to contact our elect reps and let them know that we believe these bills are ill-advised, technically unfeasible, easily thwarted, accomplish NOTHING of value, and only serve to enrich a few at the expense of the many.

How hard can that be?

Well, it *is* harder that sitting on the computer and poking fun at the OP. But not much harder - I promise.

And it's far more useful.
 
I agree. Obama is a lot of things, but he isn't stupid. He knows that the last time the Democrats went on a gun-grabbing spree, it cost them control of congress for 12 years. I think it's highly unlikely that he'll spend his political capital going after the guns. And even if he does, any new gun laws will still have Heller to contend with.

While i don't believe guns are one of the first things on obama's list i will never put it past him. With a track record like his you can't say for sure what this guy is thinking. Im sure some people thought 94' wasn't going to happen either. But it did...

Only a fool would say that obama doesn't want to restrict your guns.
 
For the polyanna's, I heard alot of this stuff in the early 90's... "they aren't going to ban anything, what are you afraid of". Here we are today, voted in the first fully Dem. Congress and Dem Pres. since 92....with several gun control bills already written and just waiting to be voted on or being voted on already. Makes me feel so much better for you to tell me "not to worry, they'll never vote for it/them/whatever".....just like in 92:barf:
 
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