Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Intox, Dec 21, 2017.
After many, many years of shooting and semi's I bought my first GLOCK. I was not disappointed.
I have been accused of being a fanboy before but Glocks are what they are, excellent guns.
If it ain't a 1911, make it a Glock IMO
lol....I think I can arrange that. I'll be honest in that I'm interested in getting my hands on both the G40 Glock and the Witness full size, because their prices means I could say screw it and get both. I'm big on reliability which is while I have several DI ARs, we also bought the Sig Sauer Patrol series rifles (both the 556 and 716). An AR platform with short stroke piston to give AK like reliability? All day long. My wife got the 556 (5.56) and I the 716 (.308). I also have a unicorn gun my father left me in a Polytech AKS762 w/ side folder. So the Glock seems to fit right in that mold.
But my wife also turned me onto the CZ (I'd never even heard of CZ until I met her), and that is one of the most natural feeling and comfortable pistols I've ever shot. So the Witness' build looking similar to the CZ has the both of us curious. Again, REALLY glad you put that on my radar.
I may take some time over the next few days and put together some of the more "fun" firearms in our collection for some forum pics. When my now wife and I had our first date, she showed me her gun collection after we had dinner. I knew I had found my soul mate after that evening.
That is verbatim what I was wanting to see someone say.
If you're looking for specific comments you may have your mind made up already.
Regarding the Witness, it is a clone-like CZ with all the ergonomics that go with it. If you like the feel of the CZ I guarantee you'll also like the Witness. Only trouble is finding them in the wild.
Naw. Others before have said the same thing in essence, but his comment was literally verbatim what I was wanting to see an older shooter (No offense to Mike and not saying he's so old he slips into ancient Aramaic sometimes. Just saying his pic let's me know he's put a few rounds down range) regarding the Glock to nudge me into looking into the Glock with sincerity.
Was doing some looking while tab'ing back and forth answering this, and found a Witness Elite Limited in 10mm. It's put me at the top end of what I want to spend, but I have to be honest....between the Witness Elite and the G40....I'll go Witness. Also found a really nice Witness Match 10mm for $800.
LOL.....man, you are going to get me in trouble with the wife.
I have no experience whatsoever with the G40 or the 10mm cartridge. I own one and only one Glock, a Gen 4 G19. I hated Glocks for ~25 years before I finally got around to buying one. I will not part with my G19 any time soon.
Here are a few things to remember when purchasing a Glock:
1) It's a simple design and that's part of what makes it work so well. Historically, Glock has had 1 basic pistol design. Some of that may is changing now, but it really didn't with Gens 1-3 and (arguably) Gen 4. It scaled the design up or down depending on caliber and purpose, but every design was basically the same collection of ~35 parts.
2) That simplicity makes for really, really easy cleaning & replacement of parts. I'm not a mechanic by any stretch of the imagination, but I can get my Glock from "EDC" (in my holster with a mag and one in the chamber) to "ready for the Hoppe's" in about 10 seconds. Without hurrying. I was also able to replace the broken spring I had using a pencil eraser after watching a Youtube video. I honestly don't think there's much of anything I could not replace on my Glock without hiring a gunsmith. The same cannot be said for my revolvers.
3) If you hate it, you can almost always sell a Glock. Their reputation for reliability is undeniable. (Whether that reputation is true, or whether they're really more reliable than their competitors, . . . . may be subject to debate, but it's undeniable that they have the reputation.) Because they've been so popular & widely used for so long, there's always someone looking to buy a Glock. That was part of my thinking when I bought my G19 about 4 years ago. I've never put it up for sale, but I've gotten offers nonetheless.
I have a Glock 20 and 29 as well as a number of CZ's. The 20 has been fantastic as it's accurate and tames the recoil of full power 10mm ammo well. I understand your point about the ergonomics, as to me Glocks are not in the same class as CZ's. The Witness being a CZ clone, that would apply to it as well. The one thing I would check on, and I don't know the answer to this, is the customer service you can expect for the Witness if it's ever necessary. As Spats mentioned, most of what you'd need to do on a Glock you can do yourself, and if it does need a gun smith finding one who works on Glocks is easy. Maybe someone who's had experience with EAA's customer service or has worked on them can chime in.
When I need my out-of-production or "complicated" guns worked on, they go straight to my gunsmith. No need for any further customer service than that - and even then, the chances of needing any such services are extremely small.
As an armorer, I maintain and fix all my Glocks. It's one of the main reasons I own them, along with the fact that they shoot great with the right load, aftermarket support is great, and interchangeability of most parts.
I currently own the G29 for "forays" into the national forest which is 5 minutes away.
OP, good luck in your quest.
I honestly can't say it enough as to how humbled I feel as to all the both quick and almost text book style informative content. More so as a new member (I've seen many large community sites where people treat new members as possible patient zero of the zombie apocalypse and apply some kind of unspoken quarantine time to be sure you're worth talking to).
Luckily for me, between my fluid evolution of knowledge and understanding granted by all the contributions here as well as other threads I've been reading...and my wife, who is my grounding rock getting tired of me running my desktop computer via Bluetooth to the tv in our bedroom and shouting out "Look at this one, baby!" every 20 minutes (hehe) she's gotten involved and has been applying her Google Fu to the internet for me. And she is agreeing to a possibility I made reference to earlier in that it's better to just drop an extra couple of bills and get both a Glock and a Witness. Of course, she has selfish reasons as well her being just as much an avid and skilled shooter as anyone here (seriously, I don't shoot pistols with my wife anymore. She'll make you throw away guns pissed off at the world....lol), as well as she is the one of the two of us who is really into CZs. As I said, I didn't even know what a CZ was until I met her and she showed me her CZ collection. So, it'll give me two options to acclimate myself to....and motivation to master the Glock as it's an unspoken understanding that due to it's similarities to the CZ the Witness is going to be her 10mm that I can borrow if I want.
And yes....I fully admit I am the luckiest man walking this earth, because I have the coolest of the cool for a wife.
Sounds like an ideal solution!
That works better than picking really.
Yes you do. Good luck with the new guns.
Sorry if it’s already been mentioned, but have you considered the Sig P220 in 10mm? They’re a little pricy, but come in under $1300 depending on the model, and seem to fit in well with your already listed preferences.
Nothing against the Glock. I own a couple in 9mm and .40, and they’re fun to shoot. But I got my first Sig, a P226 in .40 and 357 Sig, a couple of years ago, and it has me on a Sig kick lately.
The poster that said Glock recoil more because of their light weight is wrong in my opinion. Yes the grip angle is greater on a Glock but this causes my shooting hand to lock into the grip better than more straight up designs.
I will say my Glock 30 SF has LESS felt recoil that my 1911's even though the 1911's weigh more. My wrist is in better position to reduce felt recoil.
The Glock grip angle is much like the 1911A1 with the arched mainspring housing. I'm in the process of buying an arched mainspring housing for one of my 1911's as I remember having one at one time and the recoil seemed less.
So go buy that Glock 40!
I carry a Gen III Glock 20 on a regular basis, pretty much every day. It's no mousegun, but it isn't bad. MT is also an open carry state, so I just carry mine OWB in a Bianchi Shadow. Having 15 rounds of 200 gr XTPs @ 1250 fps on tap is comforting in dark alleys and in bear country. It was my interest in the 10mm Auto that got me into Glocks and I still maintain that Glock has an All Star lineup of 10mms and that they represent some impressive capabilities among even other 10mm pistols, namely the capacity and weight of a polymer framed striker fired duty gun and the power of a .357 Magnum hunting revolver.
The Glock 40 will be more difficult to conceal but offers the speed and accuracy of a red dot sight and ballistic advantage of the 10mm through a 6 inch barrel. I personally might opt for having the slide of a G20 milled for a red dot so I didn't lose at some some ability to readily conceal, but if I needed the extra 80 fps or wasn't at all concerned with discretion the G40 is a solid choice. Either way 10mm Glocks rock!
I carry a Glock 34 or 41 in the winter. In a Crossbreed IWB holster for a G23 or a Ravens OWB holster for the G41. It's doable. I'd hate the extra slide width of the G40 though.
The G40 is a fine pistol. Go for it. But the G41 is magical.
I run a 19 gen 3 the gun must be 25 years old can't tell you how many rounds down the bore still go bang eats any thing.
I also have a 17 gen4 another pistol for IDPA never has it not go bang.
I doubt I will ever own a Glock, I just don't like the look and feel. The polymer pistols I own are pocket size. That said, I have never personally known a Glock owner that wasn't happy with the gun.
By most accounts the Witness is a solid pistol too. I am sure you will not be disappointed. If they had more SAO versions with ambi safeties I might be more interested.But I tend to be lukewarm towards DA/SA guns. Smells like it's time for some Glock porn...
G20 with OKC Spearpoint Bowie, which I call my "knife" with a cheesy Australian accent.
[Homer Simpson voice] OOooo, shiney. Night sights![/Homer Simpson voice] The G20 with a smaller and more practical OKC Rat 3.
I like a manual safety on my carry gun, so I don't know what it's like to carry one. I did buy a G20 a few months ago just because, and I like the way it shoots and have no problems with controlling it. I assume the G40 would be even more tame with the extra weight. The G20 is my first and only Glock to date and likely will be the only one I ever have, but I'm glad I got it and enjoy shooting it very much. I'm just as accurate with it as I am with the Delta Elite, but must admit I like the looks of the Delta much more.
No fan of Glocks. Yes, they are reliable, but so isn't a hockey puck. If you have never handled one, you certainly should do that first. You need to judge for yourself how you like the feel of the "length of 2 x 4" grips that can not be changed, or the "Rube Goldsburg" device that they call a trigger, works for you. You can not shoot cast bullets in them. I know that you will hear "I do" and "I do it all the time" from some. And, they probably do. But, they are courting problems. My advice would be to get a real gun.
I’d get the glock and a ruger 10mm 1911, instead of the glock and tangfolio.
Just when things seem clear as mud as to which glock to get, the G19X enters the equation. Decisions, decisions
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