This is an outrage!
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Hkmp5sd
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Actually, it's because, when you are 18 and begin the fight about having to wait for 21 to do certain things, before you know it, you're 21 and don't care about the fight any more.
I remember when the drinking age was 18 in my state, but 21 in others. While serving in the navy, I was unable to legally partake of the navy's #2 in-port pastime (the #1 pastime was already illegal).
Back when I was <21, they would ask if the ammunition was for a rifle or handgun. You said rifle and that was the end of it. That included the "handgun" calibers, as long as someone made a long gun that fired the round.
Why not? Is it still legal for parents to buy a handgun for thier kids?
Funny I do remember reading one of those "laws and regluations" things posted on the counter in K-mart sporting sections when I was 16. It did say that under 21 couldn't handgun ammo expect for .22 rimfire or ammo that is exchangeable between a handgun and rifle such as the 44-40. If I was an ammo manufacter I would "for handgun and rifles" on the ammo boxes since thier are rifles made for most handgun ammo. ut that is just me.
My grandfather used to tell me that when he was a kid, he could go to the store and buy ammo and guns.
Bill Meadows
whm1974...
I bought an H&R 12g single for $16.00, NIB, a hunting license, and a box of shells in'48 in the now very PR of NJ. At a nickel a line setting pins in a bowling alley, it took a while to earn that shottie.
I still have it - and it hasn't hurt any human in these 56 years. I was 15. Took two Public Service buses to get home. Imagine the possibilities. But only possibilities. Frankly, the only thing on my mind as I recall, was getting home to open the box.
-Andy
I bought an H&R 12g single for $16.00, NIB, a hunting license, and a box of shells in'48 in the now very PR of NJ. At a nickel a line setting pins in a bowling alley, it took a while to earn that shottie.
I still have it - and it hasn't hurt any human in these 56 years. I was 15. Took two Public Service buses to get home. Imagine the possibilities. But only possibilities. Frankly, the only thing on my mind as I recall, was getting home to open the box.
-Andy
I did that for a while when I was under 21 ... then I went out and bought my own reloading equipment.
Don't give up just because it appears to be against the rules.
And before you start complaining about the cost of getting into reloading, you can have a Lee press and dies for ~$42. Buy a scale and you're in business. It isn't the best you can get, but it'll get you ammo for a few years until you can buy it from the factory. And maybe you'll find out that you like reloading, and move up to a progressive.
Best of luck!
Hkmp5sd
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I used to enjoy buying ammunition when I was in the military and my Florida driver's license was issued without my photo or signature on it. Back when they used to have to log ammunition purchases, it would drive the sales clerks nuts.
After I turned 21, my buddies grew to love that ID. I'd use my military ID to get into bars and they'd use my driver's license.
jimpeel
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I have stated for years, now, that the XP-100 and TC Contender will be the benchmark for handgun ammo that "can penetrate a bullet-proof vest".
I hear you Slimjim-when I came back from Asia, I could not get anything stronger than a coca-cola at San Fran Int'l. Drinking age was 21 back then. Raised cain some years back when Uncle Sugar decided to raise the drinking age back to 21, but it did no good. There just wasn't much of an organized protest by the younger crowd to fight this. IMO, if you are responsible enough to do all the other things the 21 and older crowd is, such as contracts, marriage, serve in the military, vote, then you are old enough, period.
Heck, I can't even buy my son a beer in a bar and he graduates from AIT in a month. Stoopid.
Heck, I can't even buy my son a beer in a bar and he graduates from AIT in a month. Stoopid.
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What part of the "Free State" are you in, Slim Jim?
There is no legal requirement for registration of ammo purchases in MD either,
but several "entitlement zone" counties have an ammo register book on the Walmart counter.
Better make sure they have the "kids" unable to buy 50bmg too:
There is no legal requirement for registration of ammo purchases in MD either,
but several "entitlement zone" counties have an ammo register book on the Walmart counter.
Better make sure they have the "kids" unable to buy 50bmg too:
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Slim, did the dealer actually show you the supposed letter? I looked around the MSP website and couldn't find anything abou this at all.
I'd lay 50/50 odds that this dealer just didn't want to sell to you because of how young you look (I met you at Continental last month, so I kind of remember). Maybe you gave him a bad vibe or something and he made up some lame excuse not to sell to you. His loss, obviously.
People discriminate on lots of things, age being a huge factor. Even if you had all your ducks in a row, if this sealer doesn't like selling to young guys, he's not going to do it.
I'd lay 50/50 odds that this dealer just didn't want to sell to you because of how young you look (I met you at Continental last month, so I kind of remember). Maybe you gave him a bad vibe or something and he made up some lame excuse not to sell to you. His loss, obviously.
People discriminate on lots of things, age being a huge factor. Even if you had all your ducks in a row, if this sealer doesn't like selling to young guys, he's not going to do it.
jimpeel
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whm1974
The thread leader answers that question.
There ya go! So what will the antis call any of the rounds chambered to the XP-100 or TC Contender; rifle or handgun rounds?
The thread leader answers that question.
Slimjim...
I forgot to ask...
Did you ask for a copy of the SP letter? Maybe a call to the SP will tell the truth of the matter... the guy may have interpreted it wrong.
(Little late - sorry - just thought of it... won't blame it on "old", just creaky joints.)
I forgot to ask...
Did you ask for a copy of the SP letter? Maybe a call to the SP will tell the truth of the matter... the guy may have interpreted it wrong.
(Little late - sorry - just thought of it... won't blame it on "old", just creaky joints.)
Slim, did the dealer actually show you the supposed letter? I looked around the MSP website and couldn't find anything abou this at all.
I'd lay 50/50 odds that this dealer just didn't want to sell to you because of how young you look (I met you at Continental last month, so I kind of remember). Maybe you gave him a bad vibe or something and he made up some lame excuse not to sell to you. His loss, obviously.
People discriminate on lots of things, age being a huge factor. Even if you had all your ducks in a row, if this sealer doesn't like selling to young guys, he's not going to do it.
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I dunno, i didnt think id seem threatening. Oh well, ill see him outside of md at a pa gunshow next month so, we'll see if i have cash for the ammo then.
I'd lay 50/50 odds that this dealer just didn't want to sell to you because of how young you look (I met you at Continental last month, so I kind of remember). Maybe you gave him a bad vibe or something and he made up some lame excuse not to sell to you. His loss, obviously.
People discriminate on lots of things, age being a huge factor. Even if you had all your ducks in a row, if this sealer doesn't like selling to young guys, he's not going to do it.
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I dunno, i didnt think id seem threatening. Oh well, ill see him outside of md at a pa gunshow next month so, we'll see if i have cash for the ammo then.
sumpnz
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Regarding the comments about reloading to avoid age limitations, for those of you who are under 21, and want access to beer, just brew your own. My dad got into homebrewing shortly after the family moved to Oregon. I was about 18 at the time, and was active in assisting him with the brewing (with my compensation being sharing in the product). I was able to buy everything for brewing at the supply store, including grain, hops, malt extract, yeast, bottles, caps, and hardware. The guy at the counter said that if a 6 year old walked in with enough money to buy all that stuff, legally there was nothing to stop the sale. It boiled down to the fact that although he was selling everything needed to porduce alcoholic beverages, he was actually selling any alcohol.
Now with reloading, there may be age restrictions (prob. 18) on buying primers (and powder?) as they are 1.4 explosives. Not sure if powder is a 1.4, but primers certainly are. But all of the equipment, plus brass and possibly bullets should not be age restricted. YMMV.
Now with reloading, there may be age restrictions (prob. 18) on buying primers (and powder?) as they are 1.4 explosives. Not sure if powder is a 1.4, but primers certainly are. But all of the equipment, plus brass and possibly bullets should not be age restricted. YMMV.
jimpeel
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sumpnz
I don't know why the kids haven't done this yet other than their overwhelming desire for instantaneous gratification rather than having to wait a few days.
Same goes for smoking cornsilk instead of tobacco.
I don't know why the kids haven't done this yet other than their overwhelming desire for instantaneous gratification rather than having to wait a few days.
Same goes for smoking cornsilk instead of tobacco.
sumpnz
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Probably part of the reason for kids not homebrewing is also that it is more expensive than having their big brother buy BudLite for them. If it was less expensive than that then I think more would do it. I have found it be cost-effective compared to micro-brews, but you'd be hard pressed to beat the economy of scale that Budweiser has over the homebrewer. Kind of the same reason why .223 Rem or 7.62x39 with FMJs is not exactly economical to reload for (especially once you account for the value of your time).
That said, I find that I enjoy drinking my homebrew more than commercial beer regardless of the cost (in $$ and time). I imagine that once I get into reloading, I'll feel the same about my shooting handloads compared to factory loads.
That said, I find that I enjoy drinking my homebrew more than commercial beer regardless of the cost (in $$ and time). I imagine that once I get into reloading, I'll feel the same about my shooting handloads compared to factory loads.
jimpeel
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sumpnz
Even more likely is that they have yet to figure out that one homebrewed beer has twice the kick of one "Old English 800" and tastes better to boot.
chaim
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Slimjim, this is pure speculation but my guess is that it has nothing to do with the fact that there are handguns made in those calibers. MD has been on a tear about "assault weapons" and .223 and 7.62x39 are AR and AK rounds. Assault rifles are controlled in the same way handguns are in this state. Maybe the state police/attorney general have reinterpreted the federal law on pistol caliber to include all restricted guns in the state. Now why they didn't care what kind of gun you were using it for I'm clueless since you can't buy .357mag for a GP100 if you are under 21 but you can for a Winchester 94 I'd think even with the reinterpretation you should be able to buy it if you weren't using the .223 or 7.62x39 for an "assault rifle".
dustind
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sumpnz: Was it legal for you to drink your home brew? If so would it have been legal to drink something your parents bought?
In Minnesota parents can not raise their children when it comes to alcohol, but Wisconsin is a bit more liberal. IIRC at 16 you can drink in a bar if you are with your parents. That was five years ago though. I did not do any drinking by the way, never have or will.
In Minnesota parents can not raise their children when it comes to alcohol, but Wisconsin is a bit more liberal. IIRC at 16 you can drink in a bar if you are with your parents. That was five years ago though. I did not do any drinking by the way, never have or will.
sumpnz
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I don't think it was technically legal for me to drink the homebrew (before I was 21 anyway), though I seem to recall somebody (not a lawyer, so grains of salt had to be involved) saying that as long as my parents gave it to me, and it was only consumed on their property, and I didn't drive afterwards, etc that it was OK legally. However, I reckon that's probably more likely one of those things that just wasn't enforced if it only involved consumption (and total metabolization) on private property. The same would apply to commercially produced potent potables.
I didn't concern myself too much with the legalities at the time becuase, for one I never drank that much at any one time anyway, and didn't drink at all if I was going to leave the house that night.
I didn't concern myself too much with the legalities at the time becuase, for one I never drank that much at any one time anyway, and didn't drink at all if I was going to leave the house that night.
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