Henry Bowman
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Me too! Me too!
This is how we roll in Utah - video of our shoot
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HB,
OK, you can go too. But, you have to drive.
OK, you can go too. But, you have to drive.
Hoploholic
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I appreciate the invite Pyle, but common sense begs that I gratefully decline. While SGLI might feed my children for some time it is no replacement for a daddy.
After hearing all the rationalizations, self engrandizements and been-there-done-that-scraped-the-brains-off-the-walls references, thinly veiled insults and hubris I will have to put FBMG on the same list as Dave at Impact(too bad because his boys are really great to deal with)...do not patronize.
I will leave you all to fluff each others ego and to continue the rationalization that no violation of safety protocol occured that day. The video does not lie though, regardless of the context of what was not taped that day. Perhaps someday you will be able to cast aside pride, see the mistakes and learn from them. Until then, I pray nobody gets hurt. Stay safe gentlemen...this aspect of the thread has run its course.
After hearing all the rationalizations, self engrandizements and been-there-done-that-scraped-the-brains-off-the-walls references, thinly veiled insults and hubris I will have to put FBMG on the same list as Dave at Impact(too bad because his boys are really great to deal with)...do not patronize.
I will leave you all to fluff each others ego and to continue the rationalization that no violation of safety protocol occured that day. The video does not lie though, regardless of the context of what was not taped that day. Perhaps someday you will be able to cast aside pride, see the mistakes and learn from them. Until then, I pray nobody gets hurt. Stay safe gentlemen...this aspect of the thread has run its course.
Well, without your experience and expertise actually on site to show what we were doing wrong, I don't think we or the children will be safe. I for one will loose sleep until we are all truely safe. And I will loose sleep that you will not shop with us. But I understand. You don't know us or how we do things but instead take insult and umbridge at my explaining to you what really went on out there despite what the video conveys to you. It must be my ego and rationalization that has convinced everyone else that things were done in a way that conflicts with what you think may have taken place.
But strangely, even withNRA, local and federal law enforcement instructors and military range masters and instructors all telling you what actually happened out there, you are still supremely confident that we are all ate up. Yet none of us have any idea what your credentials actually are since your profile is extremely vauge and you have not told us what your experience or background is. After training several thousand troops and people here and abroad without a single injury due to another human being, my credentials speak for themselves. You can call it whatever you want to, but facts are facts.
As for the video not lieing, it may not. But what you are so sure is a Makarov with a can is actually a Walther P22 with a can. I know because I shot it, and we sold it to him. The video may not lie, but you demonstrate that you can not tell what is what in the video.
Ah heck. Who am I kidding. If you came into the store with the same superior and misplaced level of "expertise" I would tell you to leave. There are some customers that are more trouble than they are worth. I suspect you are just that type of customer.
But strangely, even withNRA, local and federal law enforcement instructors and military range masters and instructors all telling you what actually happened out there, you are still supremely confident that we are all ate up. Yet none of us have any idea what your credentials actually are since your profile is extremely vauge and you have not told us what your experience or background is. After training several thousand troops and people here and abroad without a single injury due to another human being, my credentials speak for themselves. You can call it whatever you want to, but facts are facts.
As for the video not lieing, it may not. But what you are so sure is a Makarov with a can is actually a Walther P22 with a can. I know because I shot it, and we sold it to him. The video may not lie, but you demonstrate that you can not tell what is what in the video.
Ah heck. Who am I kidding. If you came into the store with the same superior and misplaced level of "expertise" I would tell you to leave. There are some customers that are more trouble than they are worth. I suspect you are just that type of customer.
loki.fish
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You can tell from the video that the guy with the mysterious "makarov" and the other guy aren't facing the same way. You just gotta pay close attention. I at first thought that, then I looked a bit closer. The guy with the silenced pistol is shooting at an angle away from the other guy.
GunnySkox
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*Whimper* Oh, man, I gotta get me some of that.
~GnSx
~GnSx
dragongoddess
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this is interesting. got to look at the video again
I watched the video again and it was just as good as the first time I watched it. Have a question though. At the 1 min. mark there are targets setup at the bend of a curve that falls and goes off to the left. I was wondering if there was any kind of warning for traffic that just may come up that road to you. My military mind,whats left of it says there may be a possible safety concern but since I cannot see any further I cannot say for sure.
I did see the staggered firing lines and they do cause one to be uncomfortable. After being hammered in the military on range safety and picking the same rules up again when I started to shoot this past year staggered firing lines just look like an additional and unneccessaary safey concern given what appears to be distance from medical help if somethig was to go wrong. Of course it could have all been a camera angle problem. Just an observation. And again it looked like fun.
I watched the video again and it was just as good as the first time I watched it. Have a question though. At the 1 min. mark there are targets setup at the bend of a curve that falls and goes off to the left. I was wondering if there was any kind of warning for traffic that just may come up that road to you. My military mind,whats left of it says there may be a possible safety concern but since I cannot see any further I cannot say for sure.
I did see the staggered firing lines and they do cause one to be uncomfortable. After being hammered in the military on range safety and picking the same rules up again when I started to shoot this past year staggered firing lines just look like an additional and unneccessaary safey concern given what appears to be distance from medical help if somethig was to go wrong. Of course it could have all been a camera angle problem. Just an observation. And again it looked like fun.
We did multiple roadblocks to block access to any of the backstop area. The odds of somebody appearing in our backstop would be about the same as somebody walking over the top of the backstop at your local, 1 shot per second, sight in your deer rifle range.
Anybody who crested the top of the hill was immediatly stopped, and told where we were shooting, and how we had the backstops set up.
Hoplo, your smugness is so thick I could cut it with a chainsaw. I've got 40 people who were actually there who disagree with you. Then I've got you, who weren't there, telling us that we did it wrong. Uh, I'm going to go with the people that were actually there.
Did lines get staggered? Possibly. That happens in the real world. When it does, you correct the behavior. If the shooter is unsafe, you remove them from the line.
There is an element of danger anytime weapons are manipulated. You do what you can to maximize your safety, and minimize potential problems.
Or you can occasionally shoot one shot per second, at your local hunter's ed range, where you place all your stuff on a bench, don't work from a holster, and have a range officer to scream at your every move. (which by the way, from what I've seen as an actual certified safety instructor, ingrains far worse habits in shooters than just running a hot range).
And edited to add: PvtPyle and I always have a brainstorming session after any gun related activity to see how we could do things better. I do not want to give the illusion that we think we know it all, or are infallible. We address each concern, safety or otherwise, and plan for the next shoot.
So that is perhaps why your unfounded criticisms were so galling. We will be implementing improvements for the next one, but sadly, most of the things you've pointed out as issues didn't exist.
Anybody who crested the top of the hill was immediatly stopped, and told where we were shooting, and how we had the backstops set up.
Hoplo, your smugness is so thick I could cut it with a chainsaw. I've got 40 people who were actually there who disagree with you. Then I've got you, who weren't there, telling us that we did it wrong. Uh, I'm going to go with the people that were actually there.
Did lines get staggered? Possibly. That happens in the real world. When it does, you correct the behavior. If the shooter is unsafe, you remove them from the line.
There is an element of danger anytime weapons are manipulated. You do what you can to maximize your safety, and minimize potential problems.
Or you can occasionally shoot one shot per second, at your local hunter's ed range, where you place all your stuff on a bench, don't work from a holster, and have a range officer to scream at your every move. (which by the way, from what I've seen as an actual certified safety instructor, ingrains far worse habits in shooters than just running a hot range).
And edited to add: PvtPyle and I always have a brainstorming session after any gun related activity to see how we could do things better. I do not want to give the illusion that we think we know it all, or are infallible. We address each concern, safety or otherwise, and plan for the next shoot.
So that is perhaps why your unfounded criticisms were so galling. We will be implementing improvements for the next one, but sadly, most of the things you've pointed out as issues didn't exist.
I was there. It was fun. It was safe. It was legal. It was a "well-regulated" militia in the true sense of the words. I'm probably wrong, but Hoplo's unrelenting attitude resembles an anti-gun troll who'd prefer that our toys be lead-blocked wall hangers, or cut up into "safe" little pieces, or shot only at sterile, overly-supervised ranges where you can only fire no more than one shot every second enforced by some anal-retentive bozo. Since he was not there, I encourage him to adjust his attitude, and cease his over-analizations and prejudiced interpretations of the actual facts.
dragongoddess
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I do know that there was one bad part of this shoot we haven't mentioned yet. That is it wasn't down here in West Texas so I could attend. Oh well/ Will the Yuma get together have anything simila. It will be just around the corner from me.
George Hill
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Ben, they turned out nice. I'll email them as soon as I connect to a reasonable wireless connection. This one is SLOW!
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I only slightly regretted not going before I saw the video and pictures. Now, I really regret not going.
I hope there is another one of these in the spring. Or sooner.
I hope there is another one of these in the spring. Or sooner.
It truely was a great day. I finally watched the whole video and to my surprise, I had 2 cameos, 1 shooting my 16" FAL and one shooting my Kreb's KTR-03S AK.
Anyone that would like more information via email on the Steel Targets from the shoot or any general questions about shooting on steel. Feel free to email me: [email protected]
Anyone that would like more information via email on the Steel Targets from the shoot or any general questions about shooting on steel. Feel free to email me: [email protected]
nico
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I spent a week in Park City in March. . . and now this. I'm moving to Utah!
Well, for all of you that did not make it, you have plenty of warning that the next one is in April. We will camp out Friday night to get set up, and then again Saturday night because we just plan on shooting an insane amount of ammo.
Here is what we plan to have at the April shoot (not counting what the other shooters will be bringing):
Multiple PKM's, RP-46's, RPD's, MG-3's, DShK's in 50 BMG, 40mm grenade launchers, 82mm mortars, 60mm mortars, tons of SBR's, SBS's, suppressors, M4's and AK's, and of course the obligitory metric butt-load of subguns. We may have a minigun by then as well.
We will be renting guns and CSB will be selling ammo, so plan ahead for that as well. Their prices are good so dont haul it, get it on scene.
The 40mm, 60mm, and 82mm will be shooting chalk rounds of course.
In preperation for the shoot we will be conducting familiarization classes on all the guns, and we will be having competitions on Saturday and Sunday. Individual and crew competitions alike.
So here is your fair warning to make plans now. The only thing holding you back from coming is you. Bring what you have, bring yourself. Just BE THERE!
Here is what we plan to have at the April shoot (not counting what the other shooters will be bringing):
Multiple PKM's, RP-46's, RPD's, MG-3's, DShK's in 50 BMG, 40mm grenade launchers, 82mm mortars, 60mm mortars, tons of SBR's, SBS's, suppressors, M4's and AK's, and of course the obligitory metric butt-load of subguns. We may have a minigun by then as well.
We will be renting guns and CSB will be selling ammo, so plan ahead for that as well. Their prices are good so dont haul it, get it on scene.
The 40mm, 60mm, and 82mm will be shooting chalk rounds of course.
In preperation for the shoot we will be conducting familiarization classes on all the guns, and we will be having competitions on Saturday and Sunday. Individual and crew competitions alike.
So here is your fair warning to make plans now. The only thing holding you back from coming is you. Bring what you have, bring yourself. Just BE THERE!
Nightcrawler
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We totally have to fly Oleg out here for that. That's going to be something one simply can't miss. What better way to celebrate my 1 year anniversary of living in Utah?
Lupinus
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I hate you
I hate every last one of you
I aint fair, IT JUST AINT FAIR!!!!
I hate every last one of you
I aint fair, IT JUST AINT FAIR!!!!
Ben Shepherd
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The little blondie shooting the supressed sub gun with remington earmuffs?
That was the little wife. She also shot a belt through one of the PKMs. Loved it.
So to add to PvtPyles invitation- BRING YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHERS if possible.
That was the little wife. She also shot a belt through one of the PKMs. Loved it.
So to add to PvtPyles invitation- BRING YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHERS if possible.
And I forgot one more thing. We need tannerite. Lots and LOTS of tannerite. I want a mushroom cloud to rise up over the hill so that the same guys who called the cops the first time have something to be really concerned about! I wonder what a 5 gallon bucket hit with the 50 would do?
(Update on the cop thing from the Saturday shoot, we went back out Sunday and I called to let them know we were going out. They said have fun and thanks for calling.)
(Update on the cop thing from the Saturday shoot, we went back out Sunday and I called to let them know we were going out. They said have fun and thanks for calling.)
Lupinus
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pyle that had better be on video 
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