This is the HIGH ROAD isn't it????????

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What I am about to write is intended to stimulate a decent, on topic, mannerly discussion of the topic. If you cannot or will not discuss it that way, please do not.

This is the HIGH ROAD isn't it???????? Yet I see an awful lot of posts advocating drug usage (at least through implication), killing cops, hating cops, taking the word of reporters or relatives of someone who has been wounded in shootout with police over the word of the police as if gospel. You probably would not take the word of those same people as anything but trash if you knew it was a CCW guy involved in a shooting, so why take the word of these people before you know all the facts, heck before you know even a handful of the facts that would tend to lend support one way or the other? For instance there was a thread on the 93 year old who shot a few cops then was killed by cops herself earlier today, it was a disgrace. I guess that is why it was closed down, but I have to wonder, just what type of folks are being attracted to this site with jump to conclusion, hate cops, druggies are right, types of attitudes.

What is up with all of that? Since when has this become an 'Us Against Them' thing, when them is just law enforcement. Has this site become a haven for miscreants, law breakers, illegal drug users, and those who want to support the scum of the earth over those who would make our country a better palce to live (and by this I mean anyone who truly wants to make it better in a moiral and right way)? Or am I missing something here; is it just a group of kids on here, or those who act like kids, who want to mouth off on every topic as part of the macho, bad mouthing, hate mongering in crowd? What kind of attitude is it that folks on these forums want to portray to the rest of America as gun owners?

I thought this place was a forum in which the users agreed to keep things on The High Road, or in other words on a moral standing above the vile, bad mouthing type of thing found on some other sites. I really do not understand why people come here to do what, in my opinion, is pretty much welcomed at other sites that are less reputable than this one strives to be! Maybe someone can explain that to me without going overboard.

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Glenn B
 
Refering to folks as "trash" isn't exactly high road.
After wading through the emotional hyperbole I think what you are asking is "why don't we believe the police?"

I can't speak for anyone else but I believe the function of a police officer has changed a bit over the past 25 years to where they seem to be more about generating revenue and keeping the populace subservient than they are about keeping the peace.

A CCW "guy" doesn't have that agenda.
 
Can you point to some of the posts of which you speak?

And not all cops are bad. Not all are good, either. Watch the video of the woman being slammed in New Orleans, watch video of police beatings, watch what just happened to a 93-year-old woman in a no-knock raid.

I think what I see here most is just a desire for cops to have to answer to the same justice system and rules that they're supposed to be enforcing as civilian peace officers. I think people are tired of the truth that "if it's a cop, it's an AD, if it's a non-cop, it's an ND", and the fact that what'd be manslaughter for a non-cop is an "accidental discharge" for a cop. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

People here just want the laws to be the same for everyone.

As an addendum, I think there's also a deeply held cultural nostalgia for the idea of a police officer as the stopsign-hatted brass-button-coated friendly person someone could run to for help, or even just say "good morning" to and get a smile in return. Now, I think more people are intimidated and fearful, mistrustful of the paramilitary-looking sorts they see moving around, thinking that even acting suspicious will get them questioned or tasered, glared at or bellowed at to get on the ground and shut up.

And that isn't helpful to anyone.
 
I don't recall anyone advocating the use of illegal drugs. There are a lot of people here (including myself) who have started to question a lot about the so called War On Drugs. That is a long way from advocating the use of illegal drugs.

I don't see much cop bashing either. Legitimate concern over possible police misconduct is not bashing. pretending that police misconduct does not occur is not helpful.
 
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I believe there are many of us here that are very pro law and order. I am also one that believes that the Bill of Rights has been thrown out the window somewhere along the way.
 
My 2 Cents

Regardless of topic, I believe that what we need at THR is calm, collective-minded discourse. Attack ideas, not people. Is this The High Road? Yes. Furthermore, I observe affirmations of that fact each time that I log-in and read my fellow members' postings. This site may not be perfect, but it beats most others that I have seen.

Of course I have concerns over the civil rights of people being trampled; but it is not happening on a massive scale. Rather, what seems to be happening is the political method of two steps forward and one step back approach adoped by many entities. Our best contribution to society is to gather here on a wide scale, discuss the issues and act locally. Do so by communicating to those who "serve" us and "represent" us. If they fail to listen, remove them. I believe we witnessed that in our recent election. I see it as a wake-up-call. We need to make some more wake-up-calls at all levels.

Doc2005
 
The thing that I see way too much on this forum

is a great deal of labeling....that is....postings of comments making rash generalities about all kinds of things with little evidence or verification. I see people revealing crass biases and gross unfairness based on little evidence. I have mentioned some of this before.

I see a great deal of disrespect for people who happen to have a different opinion or political view from the person posting. Okay, I understand we disagree with a lot of political views and opinions but we are all people for God's sake and we should try to respect other opinions. There are 300 million people in this country and not everyone can be of the same opinion. WE HAVE TO LEARN TO LIVE WITH ONE ANOTHER!!!

If you read the columnists there is a lot of reference to how polarized our society has become in the last few years. We need to find some way to compromise and use moderation in our thinking.

Sometime ago I received an email from an old Navy friend who I might guess is pretty conservative politically. The email had a photo that used Hillary Rodham Clinton's head superimposed on the the bare torso of a female so the breasts were obviously bared and then placed on the the legs and groin area of a man so we see what is supposed to be Hillary Clinton with bare female breasts and male genitalia. I thought this was disgusting. Whatever one might think of Hillary Clinton or George W. Bush or whomever, doing this sort of thing only contributes to anger and political polarization and a climate of hate. Read an analysis of what was going on in our country before the civil war. I feel we should all try to rise above these things in some way.
 
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Thing is, THR has an open door policy. If you have an email address, you may join. Things seem to have been going downhill lately, and that's probably because we have become so large, and easily searchable.

Still, this is TheHighRoad and we intend to keep it that way. We owe that to the good members.

So, if I may ask, we moderators are usually available, so point out problems to us. Or better yet, try to steer problem threads in the right direction on your own.

I've seen you guys in action. You can do it.
 
I thought this place was a forum in which the users agreed to keep things on The High Road, or in other words on a moral standing above the vile, bad mouthing type of thing found on some other sites
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I post here and I agreed to nothing. This board is privately owned and whether I stay on here or not is up to them pretty much.

That being said, threads can get heated at times, I can attest to that. Do what I try to do... take like 10 deep breaths, say "the media is basically advertising" 10x and then assess. I don't always succeed, but I try! It's frustrating I know! Just slow down, realize that everyone isn't evil and think logically... that is why we will win in the end. I hope.

You are always going to get the 'other' opinion on things. Even though you don't like it. Thank God we can still do it!
 
I have not seen a post where people have advocated the use of illegal drugs. Ive seen several from people advocating ending an illogical (weed vs alcohol), expensive (the govt could make a lot of money taxing) and deadly war on drugs (some all drugs and some select drugs)
 
i've never seen any reference to using/advocating drugs.

but, yeah, the board does come off as a gathering place for anti-leo, anti-govt types.
 
Refering to folks as "trash" isn't exactly high road.
After wading through the emotional hyperbole I think what you are asking is "why don't we believe the police?"

I can't speak for anyone else but I believe the function of a police officer has changed a bit over the past 25 years to where they seem to be more about generating revenue and keeping the populace subservient than they are about keeping the peace.

A CCW "guy" doesn't have that agenda.
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Yep.
 
For me this is the best forum I have ever been to on the internet. Have not been here as long so if it is degrading I have not seen it. But I will do my best not to be part of the problem, I have been present on forums that are much much much much X10 worse than this.
 
What I am about to write is intended to stimulate a decent, on topic, mannerly discussion of the topic. If you cannot or will not discuss it that way, please do not.

This is the HIGH ROAD isn't it???????? Yet I see an awful lot of posts advocating drug usage (at least through implication), killing cops, hating cops, taking the word of reporters or relatives of someone who has been wounded in shootout with police over the word of the police as if gospel. You probably would not take the word of those same people as anything but trash if you knew it was a CCW guy involved in a shooting, so why take the word of these people before you know all the facts, heck before you know even a handful of the facts that would tend to lend support one way or the other? For instance there was a thread on the 93 year old who shot a few cops then was killed by cops herself earlier today, it was a disgrace. I guess that is why it was closed down, but I have to wonder, just what type of folks are being attracted to this site with jump to conclusion, hate cops, druggies are right, types of attitudes.

What is up with all of that? Since when has this become an 'Us Against Them' thing, when them is just law enforcement. Has this site become a haven for miscreants, law breakers, illegal drug users, and those who want to support the scum of the earth over those who would make our country a better palce to live (and by this I mean anyone who truly wants to make it better in a moiral and right way)? Or am I missing something here; is it just a group of kids on here, or those who act like kids, who want to mouth off on every topic as part of the macho, bad mouthing, hate mongering in crowd? What kind of attitude is it that folks on these forums want to portray to the rest of America as gun owners?

I thought this place was a forum in which the users agreed to keep things on The High Road, or in other words on a moral standing above the vile, bad mouthing type of thing found on some other sites. I really do not understand why people come here to do what, in my opinion, is pretty much welcomed at other sites that are less reputable than this one strives to be! Maybe someone can explain that to me without going overboard.
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Jefferson even said, "The two enemies of the people are criminals and government..."

I guess he wasn't taking the High Road was he?

The "war on drugs"? Remember when alcohol was banned? It brought a power to the mob that is didn't have before. Same thing with drugs. I don't do drugs, but I don't see them as anything different than alcohol. As long as you don't do them while driving it isn't any of our business.

Gay marriage? Who cares, just quit banning my firearms.


Not everyone on this board is a neo-con.
 
Things seem to have been going downhill lately, and that's probably because we have become so large, and easily searchable.

Still, this is TheHighRoad and we intend to keep it that way. We owe that to the good members.

I AGREE.

Yes there are bad cops but some of the posts indicate that some people have a real problem with law enorcement, real or imagined.
 
board does come off as a gathering place for anti-leo, anti-govt types.
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This discussion is also happening among the site moderators right now. Many of them are cops, so baching them wouldn't be good for the future of the forum!
 
Letting the chips fall.

The only drugs I ever see advocated in here are the narcotic fumes of liberty and reality.
That said, it seems to me like there is a lot MORE aggressive law enforcement these days, and less oversight. I've got plenty of LEO friends, (including a guy who watched the FBI load BOTH metal doors at the Davidian compound and drive away-and testified to that fact at the trial), who tell me it isn't like it used to be, just a few years ago.
I've grown a little sceptical of the TSA, the FBI, the ATF, the locals, my Sheriff, the county constables, but all because of things they have actually DONE, not just something I've thought up.
Everything I needed to know about the drug war, I learned from watching Lee Paige.
If LEOs want to restore their reputation, the next time some trooper assaults on a little old lady, like in New Orleans, to take her pistol in HER house because the MAYOR issued a plainly illegal order, then dog pile him on the spot, arrest and shackle him hand and foot and haul him to jail while pressing full charges. That will absolve many sins.
 
The reason i dont believe the cops/police is that all my life they are the ones that have lied to me and been rude. So i tend to not trust cops at first contact. Its nothign against them as a whole but its rare to fine a good one around here. At least based on the ones i have meet.

But for some reason CHPs, Sheriffs have always treated me and my family just fine. Even if the CHP is about to write me a ticket they have been nice and have mannors. I dont know why this is with cops and police and CHP and Sheriffs, maybe i just found all the bad cops and meet all the good CHP and Sheriffs.

I was taking my First responder refresher class and learned the search and rescue is part of the Reserve Sheriffs deparment. The teacher is also an ex sheriff. The other great thing is that its all part-time/volunteer hours so i can keep my regular job and train on the weekends. I am looking forward to it. I have no problem joining the sheriffs department becuase they have all ways been well mannored when i meet them.


And what drugs, i dont think i have seen one post with illegal drugs, well poeple saying take illegal drugs. And depending on what drug, becuase its legal to take weed in Ca for medical treatment, but illegal if the feds catch you. So:uhoh:

This discussion is also happening among the site moderators right now. Many of them are cops, so baching them wouldn't be good for the future of the forum!
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eck, are there any Sheriffs or CHP there. Dont ban me please. I only have meet cops in southern Ca Memphis, Tennessee and New York, New York and most if not all have not been nice. Maybe i should stay away from big citys, or i just have a look about me that sets of cops. I dont know
 
Regarding the drug thing: I've never done a recreational drug in my life, period, never even tried pot, don't plan on doing so.

But I think the "war on (some) drugs" is a bad joke.

I've spent the last several months in Pima County AZ. Folks, the border is BAD. Desert drug transport by foot and vehicle is now a top way cocaine and meth end up stateside. Murder rates are climbing, the Border Patrol is doing random search and stop on major roads, they keep finding tunnels miles long with railroad track under the border, the whole area is turning into Miami circa mid-'80s. It's CRAZY.
 
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