This will make you cry for ATF

Status
Not open for further replies.
The Anti's are mobilizing for a push. This is the third article in two weeks in the WP and Colin Goddard, the Brady's current poster child, was on Oprah yesterday with his undercover footage of 'illegal' gun sales.
 
The ATF is supposed to regulate the gun industry, but many within the bureau say it is the industry that dominates the agency.
Click to expand...
I'm only crying because I'm laughing so hard. So wow, you mean to tell me that the servant government that the founders devised, might be returning to its original role? If only.

Ya know, nobody's forcing them to work at the bureau. If they get their jollies from controlling law abiding people, but the bureaucracy they are a part of doesn't provide them with the means to crush honest folks, maybe it is time to look for a new job.
 
This is an agency that serves no measurable purpose other than to harass businesses and citizens dealing with otherwise legal assets. I wish congress would cut them off entirely... Cut their funding so bad that they have less than a few dozen agents to merely process paperwork, and make them carry Lorcin's in .25 ACP.

I'm preaching to the choir though.
 
Those poor, overworked government employees! It seems obvious that the best way to end the suffering on both sides would be to do away with the ATF altogether. Today would be fine.
 
The difficulties at the tracing center have slowed efforts to trace guns seized from crime scenes all over the country - as well as in Mexico, where most of the seized weapons come from U.S. gun dealers, according to congressional reports.
Click to expand...

The truth-challenged WP as usual. 80+% of crime weapons seized in Mexico are NOT submitted to ATF traces because they obviously did not come from US sources. Credibility in court follows the old Roman rule of falsus in uno, falsus in minibus: caught in a lie on one point, your credibility is toast.
 
The NAS NRC "Firearms and Violence: A Policy Review" NAP 2004 pointed out in reference to the effectiveness of gun buy-back programs that there were 6,500 handgun murders in 2003 out of an estimated 65 million handguns, or 1 of 10,000.

Then, the earlier NIJ felon survey showed that criminal sources for guns included theft, burglary, fences, dealers in stolen goods moved interstate, other criminals, friends, relatives. The closest you could get to a criminal getting a gun from an FFL was if they had a girlfriend or boyfriend with a clean record buy the gun for them and that was a minor source of crime guns. Wright & Rossi Armed & Considered 1986, 2008.

Theft, bribery, extortion, corruption of military and police have also been sources of criminal weapons other than FFL gun dealers.

This implies to me that checking FFL gun sales records is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
 
Pot, meet kettle...

Audit: ATF lost 76 weapons, hundreds of laptops

By LARA JAKES JORDAN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The ATF lost 76 weapons and hundreds of laptops over five years, the Justice Department reported Wednesday, blaming carelessness and sloppy record-keeping.

Thirty-five of the missing handguns, rifles, Tasers and other weapons were stolen, as were 50 laptops, the internal audit found. Two of the stolen weapons were used in crimes.

The audit by Justice Department Inspector General Glenn A. Fine found "inadequate" oversight of weapons and laptops resulted in "significant rates of losses" at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

"It is especially troubling that that ATF's rate of loss for weapons was nearly double that of the FBI and DEA, and that ATF did not even know whether most of its lost, stolen, or missing laptop computers contained sensitive or classified information," he added.

More at http://www.theppsc.org/forums/showthread.php?t=2555
 
Hey now- those folks work hard. They've been working hard on my Form 4 for eight months now :banghead:.
 
It's nice to see that budget cuts have also been extended to the ATF, now if only that can happen to the IRS. ;)

I realize both have a crucial role, but it's a role that can be done effectively by other agencies and in a much less oppressive manner.
 
Tracing gun ownership is extremely easy and certainly not "antiquated" as depicted in this biased story.

The sequence is :
1.) Mfg'r
2.) Distributer
3.) Gunshop
4.) First owner

Most of the time that's where it ends and the owner is found.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Similar threads

6
  • Locked
Wash-Post Article on Gun Purchasing Proccess
2
Replies
41
Views
2K
happygeek
H
P
  • Locked
Gun-toting soccer moms a scary thought in D.C. area, but not out west
2
Replies
25
Views
2K
Diggers
D
C
  • Locked
Interesting Article
Replies
1
Views
370
BlisteringSilence
B
Q
  • Locked
Appleseed articles
Replies
5
Views
460
mustang_steve
M
A
  • Locked
ATF to Push for New Reporting Rules for Dealers
2 3
Replies
60
Views
3K
Animal Mother
A
Back
Top