Valkman
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Gary, consider me your own personal gun-sitter. For a small fee I will care for your AR like it was my own.
Thoughts on DPMS ARs?
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Gary, consider me your own personal gun-sitter. For a small fee I will care for your AR like it was my own.
only negative opinion I have of DPMS is the marketing on their website. each of their guns, including the super-short carbines is outfitted with the longest, evilest, gheyest bipod DPMS could find.
seriously, look at the kitty kat (LEO)! Someone please tell me why you'd put a bipod on a rifle with a SEVEN inch barrel that's only 23" overall length.
Under normal circumstances, I cut people a lot of slack on how they configure their guns, as so much is a matter of taste and there's no accounting for that, especially when civilian guns are rarely intended to be defensive weapons.
But for a LEO gun, I assume there's SOME reason to have such a thing. I mean, I can understand real operators like the Mall Ninja needing such a dual-purpose battle rifle, since it serves as a tactical entry weapon when he clears the terrorists out from behind the purfume counter at Proffits, then flip down the legs and start laying down cover fire as your team assaults housewares. (the marketing pics don't have a 80mm objective scope, so i assume mall ninjas will have to use their blowguns for sniping)
but it's hard for me to believe there's much demand for such a weapon for the rest of LE
err... guess i got carried away there. what I MEANT to post was a question to gary about his southpaw. Does it work? you like it? I was thinking about getting a left-handed receiver to put together an across-the course gun. any chance the DPMS would handle that? know of any other southpaw AR uppers?
thanks!
seriously, look at the kitty kat (LEO)! Someone please tell me why you'd put a bipod on a rifle with a SEVEN inch barrel that's only 23" overall length.
Under normal circumstances, I cut people a lot of slack on how they configure their guns, as so much is a matter of taste and there's no accounting for that, especially when civilian guns are rarely intended to be defensive weapons.
But for a LEO gun, I assume there's SOME reason to have such a thing. I mean, I can understand real operators like the Mall Ninja needing such a dual-purpose battle rifle, since it serves as a tactical entry weapon when he clears the terrorists out from behind the purfume counter at Proffits, then flip down the legs and start laying down cover fire as your team assaults housewares. (the marketing pics don't have a 80mm objective scope, so i assume mall ninjas will have to use their blowguns for sniping)
but it's hard for me to believe there's much demand for such a weapon for the rest of LE
err... guess i got carried away there. what I MEANT to post was a question to gary about his southpaw. Does it work? you like it? I was thinking about getting a left-handed receiver to put together an across-the course gun. any chance the DPMS would handle that? know of any other southpaw AR uppers?
thanks!
LoadedDrum
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I have a some what related question. What does DMPS market their AR style rifles as, in the sense that Bushmaster has the XM15E2S, Olympic has the PCR15? And does it have this stamped on the lower reciever?
I own a DPMS loPro classic, dont believe the old wives tales.
They are all chrome lined barrels, forged upper and lower recievers, with all the tough bells and whistles. They are very very reliable, they shoot at 1/2 MOA or better (yes it has been tested), in fact recently a major publication tested the LoPros accuracy as excellent even at distances of 600-700 meters. They commented that the accuracy this rifle allows rivals most bolt action rifles.
No, they dont have a shell deflector, or a forward assist, but when the rifle is so reliable you dont need the forward assist. Every single expended cartridge lands on a neat little pile exactly in a 1 ft area, they never hit you or even come close. The shell deflector is a feature for left handed shooters to fire a right handed rifle (a military requirement, as all soldiers and marines are taught to shoot righthanded regardless of orientation).
If you have an improperly sized round, or out of spec round, why would you ever want to force it into the chamber? Never is the answer, because you would have to take your rifle apart to extract the spent cartridge with a cleaning rod and possibly a mallot. If you are in a situation where your survival counts on your rifle functioning why would you intentionally force a bad cartridge into your rifles chamber and place yourself into a situation where you now have to spend several minutes with tools, exposing yourself to the enemy to have to remove it? Ask any experienced armorer, or gunsmith, they will tell you the same thing, ask anyone who has real experience with having to use the forward assist on an M-16 in battle, its best to simply eject that round and load the next one, then drive on.
I have fired tons of rounds through this Lopro classic and it amazes every time how accurate, how reliable, and how great the quality is every time I look at it or maintain it.
Choose the brand and model you want by what you want it to have, and for what you want the rifle for, not by someone elses brand snobbery.
There are many people who will tell you that DPMS are cheaply made etc simply because they are inexpensively priced, they will tell you made up horror stories because they themselves have not one second of experience, or one bit or real knowledge about the particular weapon.
Notice the people who have experience with DPMS rifles and own them will always rave about the accuracy, the quality, and the reliablilty. Quality shows in accuracy, anyone who has been shooting for any amount of time knows that.
They are all chrome lined barrels, forged upper and lower recievers, with all the tough bells and whistles. They are very very reliable, they shoot at 1/2 MOA or better (yes it has been tested), in fact recently a major publication tested the LoPros accuracy as excellent even at distances of 600-700 meters. They commented that the accuracy this rifle allows rivals most bolt action rifles.
No, they dont have a shell deflector, or a forward assist, but when the rifle is so reliable you dont need the forward assist. Every single expended cartridge lands on a neat little pile exactly in a 1 ft area, they never hit you or even come close. The shell deflector is a feature for left handed shooters to fire a right handed rifle (a military requirement, as all soldiers and marines are taught to shoot righthanded regardless of orientation).
If you have an improperly sized round, or out of spec round, why would you ever want to force it into the chamber? Never is the answer, because you would have to take your rifle apart to extract the spent cartridge with a cleaning rod and possibly a mallot. If you are in a situation where your survival counts on your rifle functioning why would you intentionally force a bad cartridge into your rifles chamber and place yourself into a situation where you now have to spend several minutes with tools, exposing yourself to the enemy to have to remove it? Ask any experienced armorer, or gunsmith, they will tell you the same thing, ask anyone who has real experience with having to use the forward assist on an M-16 in battle, its best to simply eject that round and load the next one, then drive on.
I have fired tons of rounds through this Lopro classic and it amazes every time how accurate, how reliable, and how great the quality is every time I look at it or maintain it.
Choose the brand and model you want by what you want it to have, and for what you want the rifle for, not by someone elses brand snobbery.
There are many people who will tell you that DPMS are cheaply made etc simply because they are inexpensively priced, they will tell you made up horror stories because they themselves have not one second of experience, or one bit or real knowledge about the particular weapon.
Notice the people who have experience with DPMS rifles and own them will always rave about the accuracy, the quality, and the reliablilty. Quality shows in accuracy, anyone who has been shooting for any amount of time knows that.
ugaarguy
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However, we'll adress the misonformation.
S - slap the base of the mag
P - pull the charging handle to the rear
O - observe the chamber & magazine through the ejection port
R - release the charging handle
T - TAP THE FORWARD ASSIST
S - squeeze the trigger
Actually it's because it's a civilian rifle that's never intended to set foot on a battle field.
You're right, with a slick side upper ejected brass won't touch a right handed shooter. You need the big A2 deflector if you're a lefty firing left handed. On a newer rifle with little wear and fresh ejector & extractor springs I'd expect nothing less than consistent ejection.
You're wrong again. The extended A2 brass deflector is there to send the brass forward and to the right, so a lefty, SHOOTING LEFT HANDED, isn't hit in the face and chest with spent casings. The military teaches all shooters to shoot oriented to their dominant eye. Where do you come up with this stuff?
Wrong again. The forward assist is used to chamber a round when the bolt is slowed by sand, dirt, mud, grit, moisture, or ice.
I suppose that's why the military teaches SPORTS as the malfunction clearance drill?
S - slap the base of the mag
P - pull the charging handle to the rear
O - observe the chamber & magazine through the ejection port
R - release the charging handle
T - TAP THE FORWARD ASSIST
S - squeeze the trigger
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i have alot of experience with the ar/m4/m16 series, in the army, combat and in the civilian side and i disagree with you.
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