Darkmind
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Now that i would love to see. No matter if what i learned/was told, was right or wrong.
THR MythBusters: No Touch .50 Kill...
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Thumper
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And it's just as much BS now as it was then. I know because I was personally called out for spreading that same myth by my own CO.
Unfortunately it doesn't stand up to the harsh light of reality. Of COURSE you can engage personnel with a .50.
Forcing the m2 into a single shot mode by leaving the latch handle up and unlocked is not the same as "semi auto."
And no, near misses don't rupture blood vessels in the brain. Physics doesn't work like that. The amount of overpressure a passing bullet causes is miniscule compared to the chemical explosives in a grenade.
It seems that some folks that should know better are eating up the same crap the anti's spew.
Darkmind
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(Thumper)Forcing the m2 into a single shot mode by leaving the latch handle up and unlocked is not the same as "semi auto."
Have you ever taken a class on the M2 50?
What is the description of the .50 Cal, HB, M2 Machine Gun?
The .50 Cal, HB, M2 Machine Gun is a belt-fed, recoil operated, air cooled, crew served machine gun, capable of firing single shot as well as automatic fire, and operates on the short recoil principle
Check this link and look about half way down the page. http://www.armystudyguide.com/m2/studyguide.htm
Have you ever taken a class on the M2 50?
What is the description of the .50 Cal, HB, M2 Machine Gun?
The .50 Cal, HB, M2 Machine Gun is a belt-fed, recoil operated, air cooled, crew served machine gun, capable of firing single shot as well as automatic fire, and operates on the short recoil principle
Check this link and look about half way down the page. http://www.armystudyguide.com/m2/studyguide.htm
I've believe I've read stories of .50 caliber shots taken to the torso in which the person shot did not die. So...if it's possible to be actually shot with a .50 and not have your insides jellified then it only stands to reason that one passing you and not touching you wouldn't jellify you.
I want to say that Fackler has told of treating someone shot with a .50 BMG round.
brad cook
I want to say that Fackler has told of treating someone shot with a .50 BMG round.
brad cook
Warbow
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WEPS wrote:
Yikes. What does downloading (I assume that's what you meant) mean in relation to an M2?
Yikes. What does downloading (I assume that's what you meant) mean in relation to an M2?
Thumper
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Yes. I've also supervised a few.
You have to manually release the bolt latch after every shot. That ain't semi auto, right?
"I beleive the first instance was around WWI where I remeber reading about a prohibition on using the 50 cal agaimst personnel as inhumane under the Hague conventions of 1907."
I don't believe the .50 BMG was used during WW I.
I believe it was adopted after the war, sometime in the 1920s.
My Uncle spoke very highly of the .50 BMG from his time in combat in Korea.
Said it was VERY comforting to hear one whamming away.
I don't believe the .50 BMG was used during WW I.
I believe it was adopted after the war, sometime in the 1920s.
My Uncle spoke very highly of the .50 BMG from his time in combat in Korea.
Said it was VERY comforting to hear one whamming away.
myrockfight
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http://discovery.infopop.net/1/Open...=9701967776&m=801108183&r=801108183#801108183
Ok. This is the thread for the show Mythbusters on the Discovery Channel that I started. Maybe it is wishful thinking, but it would be cool to see.
I have no real basis of fact concerning the subject except for the squirrel/large caliber rifle. I don't think the liquefying happens, but I think the concussion of the round could possibly have an effect on a person. Negatively, of course!
Ok. This is the thread for the show Mythbusters on the Discovery Channel that I started. Maybe it is wishful thinking, but it would be cool to see.
I have no real basis of fact concerning the subject except for the squirrel/large caliber rifle. I don't think the liquefying happens, but I think the concussion of the round could possibly have an effect on a person. Negatively, of course!
Destructo6
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I would buy, "Will turn your bowels into jello, just before they evacuate," but not the kill part. Hmmn, I wonder if some old timer used that euphemism for being scared to death and somebody took it literally.
bogie
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I had a DI who maintained that you really should save the heavy stuff for equipment.
He also said that in some instances, uniforms could be considered equipment.
He also said that in some instances, uniforms could be considered equipment.
CAS700850
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One of teh investigators I work with is ex-82nd Airborne, and said he was instructed that it was against the Geneva Convention to use an M-2 on personnel. The instructor siad it was for use against equipment only, like helmets, web gear, rifles, handguns, etc.
As for a near miss causing "jellification", come on... And assault weapons allow drug dealers to shoot thousands of people without reloading.
As for a near miss causing "jellification", come on... And assault weapons allow drug dealers to shoot thousands of people without reloading.
"One of teh investigators I work with is ex-82nd Airborne, and said he was instructed that it was against the Geneva Convention to use an M-2 on personnel."
To me that would be a VERY suspect statement right off the bat.
I'd expect a military person to know that the Hague Accords deals with weapons and wounding, while the Geneva Conventions deals with the treatment of prisoners of war and non combatants.
To me that would be a VERY suspect statement right off the bat.
I'd expect a military person to know that the Hague Accords deals with weapons and wounding, while the Geneva Conventions deals with the treatment of prisoners of war and non combatants.
sumpnz
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Nah, that's only if it's 00 Buckshot.
Warbow
"what is downloading in relation to the M2 50."
they were taking it off a CH53 and setting it on the deck to bring it from condition 1 to 4 , when one of the marines hit the trigger bar. BOOOOM!!
on a ship they have what's called hero zones. Hazards Of Elecrtical Radiation Ordnance. the flight line is not always hero safe, so they routinely bring 50's off hello's fully loaded to be downloaded in a hero safe enviroment.
"what is downloading in relation to the M2 50."
they were taking it off a CH53 and setting it on the deck to bring it from condition 1 to 4 , when one of the marines hit the trigger bar. BOOOOM!!
on a ship they have what's called hero zones. Hazards Of Elecrtical Radiation Ordnance. the flight line is not always hero safe, so they routinely bring 50's off hello's fully loaded to be downloaded in a hero safe enviroment.
SMLE
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My Father was a US Marine in WWII. His recollections are that the use of .50s on the Japs was encouraged. Even 20mm was used in direct fire on Japanese troops as well as 37mm AP, HE and Canister. I have been told that the Marines in Nicaragua in 1964 used a .50 as a sniping weapon and was told of such use in Korea by a Marine who claimed to have observed it first hand as a spotter.
I belive the .50 entered US service in 1918. It didn't see much, if any, use in combat but I have see pictures on US occupation troops in Germany in 1918-19 with water-cooled .50s. Yeah, WATER COOLED! All the hurt and ten times the endurance! Oh BABY!
I belive the .50 entered US service in 1918. It didn't see much, if any, use in combat but I have see pictures on US occupation troops in Germany in 1918-19 with water-cooled .50s. Yeah, WATER COOLED! All the hurt and ten times the endurance! Oh BABY!
voilsb
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Why? I don't think they teach it, at least not to the every-day Joe. I certainly know I've never had a class on that sort of thing. I had to learn it on my own.
G36-UK
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Just curious, but could someone please describe the damage effects of a .50 BMG round?
I mean, I saw the pic (which looked quite nast btw, what happened to the poor guy?), but I'm curious as to the general damage we're talking in relation to a torso hit, or similar.
I mean, I saw the pic (which looked quite nast btw, what happened to the poor guy?), but I'm curious as to the general damage we're talking in relation to a torso hit, or similar.
Guy B. Meredith
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Back in the 60s I heard the same rumor about the M16 round.
A few years later I heard that a .38 spl could drill a car from front bumper through rear bumper. I told the author that any smoke on the scene was from funny cigarettes, not .38 spl powder.
Guy
A few years later I heard that a .38 spl could drill a car from front bumper through rear bumper. I told the author that any smoke on the scene was from funny cigarettes, not .38 spl powder.
Guy
I know nothing about .50s
and have only shot other people's Barretts. Could someone please clarify, are rounds manufactured for MG use designed to be somewhat unstable, in order to disperse the fire through the beaten zone? I got this from a .50 precision shooter who only handloaded and recommended not to use milspec ammo.
I guess an acompanying question would be do the snipers using the Barretts and other .50s use the same ammo as the M2s
and have only shot other people's Barretts. Could someone please clarify, are rounds manufactured for MG use designed to be somewhat unstable, in order to disperse the fire through the beaten zone? I got this from a .50 precision shooter who only handloaded and recommended not to use milspec ammo.
I guess an acompanying question would be do the snipers using the Barretts and other .50s use the same ammo as the M2s
The only ordinance I've ever seen jellify someone without a direct hit was an NVA regular that was about 20 yards from a bomb crater. He was dead as a mackeral with blood coming from nose, mouth, and ears. Must have gotten too close to where Arclight was hitting. Probably a 500 pounder. 
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