Threat of arrest for empty holster

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Keep in mind that we entrust our safety to fine LEO's everywhere, yet our government sees fit to pay them bottom dollar.
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You could not be more wrong. Their job is not protect anybody. The supreme court has made this clear on several occasions.

Furthermore, the job pays ok for something that requires only 6 months of education and has fairly low admission standards.
 
wishin said:
You'd better wear a disguise the next time. They'll probably make you remove your shoelaces too!
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Well of course, we can't start letting people bring machine guns into courthouses now, can we?
 
3 years of law school, a test, paperwork and a fee will let you carry your gun into that courthouse.

Whatever anyone thinks generally of police and courtroom guards, you should have a much lower general opinion of lawyers.
 
I think the issue was that the gaurd had a big head. Not man enough to admit he doesnt know. The thing I learned from years in customer service is to be firm but respectfull. Made my job much easier and the customers happier. You can stand your ground without being rude.

P.S. Not all cops are like this. Got pulled over while riding bicycle home from work, in Reno. The cop said I needed to ride off to the side of the road enough for cars to pass me. I told him that it was safer in the way I was doing it and that there was no law saying to keep to the side. I could tell the cop was thinking for a moment. Then he said He'll have to check that out. But for now to ride off to the side and stay safe. So as soon as I got home I looked it up and I was wrong. There is a law saying to ride as far to the right as you safetly can for cars to pass. Now I felt like the jerk. Was hopeing I could meet up with that cop again to appologize. Ive got nothing but good to say about the Reno police department. In all my dealings with them theyve always been really curtious.
 
Not too long ago while going through the security check point at our county courthouse, the detector sounded off. When the LEO wanded me he noticed my holster and motioned toward it. I raised my jacket to reveal it was empty and was waved on. My belt buckle was the culprit.
 
Ithaca37 said:
You could not be more wrong. Their job is not protect anybody. The supreme court has made this clear on several occasions.

Furthermore, the job pays ok for something that requires only 6 months of education and has fairly low admission standards.
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Exactly; the LEO mandate is to enforce the law.

Since there is no law against carrying a holster anywhere it is frightening to think of these morons in that position, let alone that they are allowed to carry guns.
 
Hi Grey,

Whatever anyone thinks generally of police and courtroom guards, you should have a much lower general opinion of lawyers.
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We get to lawyers in the Legal section. :)

While lawyers are an easy target, by and large they stay within the confines of the law and legal precedent. In an encounter with an attorney they are not going to be expanding the boundaries of their authority on the fly. If only because should they do so and are called to the carpet for it they do not have the concept of 'reasonable deception' as a get out of jail free card. They could possibly lose their livelihood.
 
I see cops protecting and helping people in ways that have nothing to do with enforcing the law, all the time.
It may not be mandatory, but many of them do it because they can, because they're good guys, and because they see themselves as public servants.
Why do we always point out the few jerks and never praise the overwhelming number of good ones?

Tinpig
 
Why do we always point out the few jerks and never praise the overwhelming number of good ones?
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Because the so-called good ones become bad ones when they do not turn in the bad ones, or even worse, lie to protect the bad ones.
 
Well, don't know about "evil." Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, Airmen, Coasties, firefighters or police, people who put their lives on the line do have an ingrained and understandable tendency to protect others who do the same.

Tinpig
 
I was detained upon entering a Florida courthouse because there was a S&W gun lock key on my key ring. I put my keys and other items in the basket and walked through the entry point. An officer examined my key ring, and the next thing I knew there were three officers around me. The officer with my keys approached me and said that it was a felony to bring a handcuff key into the facility, or to even carry one in public. I explained that it was a key for a S&W gun, and not a handcuff key. I would think they could tell the difference since they carry them. They didn't want to buy it, and were going to take me with them for processing. Just then their superior arrived to see what was going on. She looked at the key, told them it was for a gun lock, and let me go. Took the key off my ring when I got home.
 
It's that attitude right there, Tinpig. It's the attitude that their profession is so dangerous that it makes them and everyone else in it special and above everyone else.

There are a number of good cops out there. The bad ones are the ones that good people experience though. Good people don't normally have large amounts of interaction with good cops unless something happens to them. Good people do often enough end up dealing with the bad cops though, and when the "good" cops protect the bad cops, it's easy to be fed up with them all.
 
Soldiers, Marines, Sailors, Airmen, Coasties, firefighters or police, people who put their lives on the line do have an ingrained and understandable tendency to protect others who do the same.
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My husband has been stationed at Myers, Bragg and Campbell that I have lived on base. The soldiers I've met were professional enough that they would not justify illegal behavior from their peers. Mainly because they are wise and well trained enough to realize such behaviors threaten the safety of the entire unit.
 
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Are you willing to pay more local government taxes to cover higher pay grades? Or are we assuming LEO's will earn a 4 year degree and accept a $35,000 yearly salary?
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I, for one, would be willing to pay more taxes.

But I gotta wonder why you think $35,000 is so bad for someone with a 4-year degree. What do you think teachers get paid?

How about lawyers who work as public defenders? Those folks took a 4-year BA and a 3-year JD and they often start at $35k.

Is more money really going to attract better candidates anyway? There's a lot of real jerks who get their medical degrees or law degrees just for the money.

I think the right attitude is more important than the right salary.

Aaron
 
Sounds like they were caught in a state of stupid, and decided to threaten you with "BS", so they could still hold the upper hand.................
 
people charged with the protection of others should not be given slack, or leeway. This is the problem. How would you feel if your life was being guarded by "rookies just getting their feet wet". Not comforting. Put them out beating the street to get some experience.
I'm a welding supervisor. We don't put new bee's out in the field wleding structural steel on high rises, school, etc. They are in the shop, learning, being taught, correct procedure, right, wrong, etc. Not until they have proven themselves with out fault, do they get to go out to the field and put their skills to the test and people lives at risk, should they not perform well.
This should be the same with LE, who's job it is to judge who and what is safe, dangerous, etc.
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Are you giving an example of something that is not comforting, or are you actually suggesting that police gain experience on the beat, where they may be called upon to save a civilian's life? Because if you are indeed suggesting the latter, then you are contradicting yourself - a courthouse is the equivalent of a welding shop, where police learn their trade, as welders do. :scrutiny:

If you meant the former, then disregard my message.
 
Actually that claim is more reasonable deception. Police work doesn't even make the top ten of dangerous civilian professions.

http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/13/pf/dangerousjobs/
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I see a difference between those who risk their lives for a paycheck, and those who put themselves in harm's way for their country or their community.

Next time you have a serious problem call 911 and see how many lumberjacks and Bering Sea crabbers show up.:)

Tinpig
 
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