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This may not be the place to say this and mods if you delete the post I totally understand, but I have to say this. I'm tired of people saying they can't support this gun manufacturer or that gun maker because they support this or that. They make guns and that's the facts. If you don't like it don't buy it. Should they not sell to you because they are christians and you are not. What if you support PITA and they don't. So many different scenarios you could throw in here but please quit bashing other peoples threads on guns or products they buy because you have a personal preference with their product or service.:cuss::fire:
 
Sounds like he's tired of the urinating matches between gun brand enthusiasts. I also percieve bits of anger at ruger antagonists whom always bring up the "Bill Ruger supported the AWB.. hence I don't buy Ruger because they took 'er gurns".

All just a theory. I do speculate at times.
 
Seems to me that the reasons for what a person buys and from whom they buy it (or not, as the case may be) is a personal matter.

That said, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and they can express that opinion if they wish. Variety is the spice of life, and life would be quite boring if everybody agreed on everything all the time.

I don't like Glocks, for example, because they're uglier than sin. This has nothing to do with their quality (which is outstanding) and I have no problem expressing that opinion.

Like it or not, people have strong opinions about what they feel is important...and people with strong beliefs about important things will be vocal about it.
 
Robert, people commonly complain on THR about gun companies and where they manufacture their firearms. Now when I say commonly, I mean like once a month as far as I see it and I'm on THR at least once a day M-F (take a five minute mental break while at work). It can get a tad annoying for someone who is talking about their latest S&W addition to then see a post about Hillary Holes and how the poster will never buy a S&W because of it.

I'm not always happy about gun manufacturers and where they keep their factories so I choose not to patronize them (any why I'm a big Ruger fan, and hope to be something of Remington fan by the end of the year when it comes to handguns, and perhaps also Beretta fan as I'm looking for a .380 pistol just because or maybe one of those PICOs for .32 ACP).

However I think courtesy should prevail and people should read the tea leaves so to speak when commenting on someone's post. Don't bash a company when someone is celebrating a purchase or asking for info about a gun. Maybe when they are comparing companies for their purchase selections it might be a good time to drop in. Or do the most sensible thing in my opinion and start your own threat about company X and why you will never do business with them.

I think this post should stay up so we can hash out courtesy when it comes to posting. A polite and honest conversation. For instance, I am not a fan of....(well I like most guns outside the ring of fire), okay well Springfield, I don't like that they use partially done frames from Brazil so I choose not to buy their 1911s, instead if I still liked 1911s (finally got my second Spartan running right as a .38 Super when it was a problem child as a .45 ACP after I put in parts from Wilson) I'd go with Ruger or Smith and Wesson. Granted I like XDs and those are built in America as I understand it and I have one and plan to buy another one.

Bill Ruger Sr. did his Quisling bit once upon a time and in part contributed to the AWB but he's gone from this world and Ruger has really stepped up when it comes to activism (seems like its only Ruger and S&W putting skin in the RKBA game) so I'm cool with patronizing Ruger.

The strongest voting power we have is our money, our dollars (even though I still pick dirty pennies up off the ground if I can see honest Abe, that's more superstition) and while we should use that power in the furtherance of our beliefs, we should still act with with some tact and courtesy when we are on THR. I'm a foul mouthed nasty individual when I want to be but THR is where I've come to hone my respect and comprehension of courtesy. And try and whip up some activist support.
 
Yes, some of the positions a poster might take seem, at best, purely an emotional reaction to circumstances.

In the case of having a factory located in a state that seems to be the antithesis of having 2A rights, it goes to the people there - not the business. It obviously was a big gun state at one time in the past. Since most of these are coastal, a simple look back in history shows most were open carry and many in the East are also where the original colleges were founded - and the majority were BIBLE based. A bit closer look at the origins of the Ivy League shows a lot of it.

Not what we see today, is it? Basically, a poster going on a tear about what state a factory is located in is looking at it from a very limited historical perspective. Then add in the complete lack of business and economic education the public is getting thru high school, and how few take business courses in college. "Why don't they move?" has a lot of dollars attached to it - and the employees there should get some consideration, too. They aren't the problem, are they?

It's all about trying to force others to work for the political goals that the poster wants to see accomplished. Committing economic suicide by closing the plant and firing the workers doesn't bother them any.

When you begin to dig into their viewpoint, you begin to see the real problems in America today. A lot of RKBA fans aren't necessarily the better spokespersons for the big picture. Just the same as some anti gunners stating they would like the world to be a better place by not having humanity on the face of it at all. Then it could go back to it's completely natural state.

Yeah sure, that aint gonna happen. It's just a clueless fantasy about the ecostructure, and frankly, there are a lot of shooters who are equally uninformed about things. Like, a certain firearm "exhausting where it eats."

They heard it, believe it, but don't really understand the misinformation in it. That's because they simply don't know what they are talking about. You get that in life. Some aren't down the road as far as others. The path of life hasn't enlightened them as much yet, if they were even open to learning anymore. Too many start shutting down their self education the moment they aren't spoon fed and forced to comply in the educational environment. They turn their backs on it and hide from learning any more.

You would not believe the number of men in this country still buying 30w oil for their NEW 2013 car and thinking it must be changed every 3,000 miles. That's what they learned in 1965 and they are not open to even reading the manufacturer's stated recommendation in the owner's manual.

It might cause them to think they are wrong - a huge blow to their masculinity. And we coddle them because we all want to get along and The Customer Is Always Right. People really don't want to know the truth when it boils down to it, they like being deceived and thinking everything in their world view is 100% correct.

Those makers really do just need to shut down, board up the doors, and move elsewhere. That will teach them politicians and make them suffer.

Or, will it just hand them a victory?
 
My money, my choice

I tend to not give money to entities that use my own money against me. I was in the Maryland statehouse the day that S&W testified on "smart guns" and how they were ready to bring them to market (hence, a bill requiring all guns sold be "smart guns" would not deprive citizen's of guns). They also agreed to a list of extra-legal burdens to place on dealers that carried S&W products. Luckily, they backed off of many of those provisions in response to customer backlash, but damage was already done.

I no longer give S&W, or S&W Holding Corp, or S&W "hey, we didn't do that, you're just confused, and anyway, we're not those guys anymore, really!" any of my money. Also also don't give the state of Maryland any of my money, having moved to a free state many years ago. I don't miss the taxes, but do wonder if I'll ever miss the 10mm revolver I was saving for at the time. With a .45 colt and a loading press, probably not.
 
Tirod said:
Yes, some of the positions a poster might take seem, at best, purely an emotional reaction to circumstances.

In the case of having a factory located in a state that seems to be the antithesis of having 2A rights, it goes to the people there - not the business. It obviously was a big gun state at one time in the past. Since most of these are coastal, a simple look back in history shows most were open carry and many in the East are also where the original colleges were founded - and the majority were BIBLE based. A bit closer look at the origins of the Ivy League shows a lot of it.

Not what we see today, is it? Basically, a poster going on a tear about what state a factory is located in is looking at it from a very limited historical perspective. Then add in the complete lack of business and economic education the public is getting thru high school, and how few take business courses in college. "Why don't they move?" has a lot of dollars attached to it - and the employees there should get some consideration, too. They aren't the problem, are they?

It's all about trying to force others to work for the political goals that the poster wants to see accomplished. Committing economic suicide by closing the plant and firing the workers doesn't bother them any.

When you begin to dig into their viewpoint, you begin to see the real problems in America today. A lot of RKBA fans aren't necessarily the better spokespersons for the big picture. Just the same as some anti gunners stating they would like the world to be a better place by not having humanity on the face of it at all. Then it could go back to it's completely natural state.

Yeah sure, that aint gonna happen. It's just a clueless fantasy about the ecostructure, and frankly, there are a lot of shooters who are equally uninformed about things. Like, a certain firearm "exhausting where it eats."

They heard it, believe it, but don't really understand the misinformation in it. That's because they simply don't know what they are talking about. You get that in life. Some aren't down the road as far as others. The path of life hasn't enlightened them as much yet, if they were even open to learning anymore. Too many start shutting down their self education the moment they aren't spoon fed and forced to comply in the educational environment. They turn their backs on it and hide from learning any more.

You would not believe the number of men in this country still buying 30w oil for their NEW 2013 car and thinking it must be changed every 3,000 miles. That's what they learned in 1965 and they are not open to even reading the manufacturer's stated recommendation in the owner's manual.

It might cause them to think they are wrong - a huge blow to their masculinity. And we coddle them because we all want to get along and The Customer Is Always Right. People really don't want to know the truth when it boils down to it, they like being deceived and thinking everything in their world view is 100% correct.

Those makers really do just need to shut down, board up the doors, and move elsewhere. That will teach them politicians and make them suffer.

Or, will it just hand them a victory?

Great rant! :cool: S&W, with some employees going back 5 or 6 generations, should stay in Massachusetts. And I've finally learned to change my oil every 7,000 miles! :D
 
On this forum I am sure I have voiced strong opinions that annoyed people. Here is my strongest opinion: people should voice their strong opinions and be tolerated for doing so as long as they are not petty personal comments in the vain of “sub-human mongrel”. If you don’t support an individual or organization because of some activity they engage in I would like to know it. I fear more what I not told than what I am told regardless of how unpleasant the presentation, facts, or fallacies. More to the point, I am glad it was someone on a gun forum that informed me about the background of the founder of Kahr Arms because that is something that matters when I make a decision to buy. As far as anybody else deciding to buy from Kahr Arms, I whole heartedly support and will defend your right to that decision. Don’t like Ruger because of the AWB controversy, fine, I disagree with you but I am glad to now have a better understand of you and I support your right to that decision. It is the suspected secret prejudices and bias of others that make us suspicious and untrusting. I more trust a man I disagree with who openly expresses his opinion than the pleasant man who never ventures to express a strong opinion on anything.
 
It's just in general. It does become a pissing contest when people highjack another person's thread. It didn't happen to me but I see it quite often. I am a casual poster but love coming and reading but get tired of seeing so many post bashing some elses happiness over a purchase they made because they had a bad experience. Yes we are all entitled to our opinions but be happy for the person..."Can't we all just get along"...but then again, if it weren't for stupid people we wouldn't have jokes.
 
I think you should feel free to express you opinion, on the topic.

For instance, one guy a while back was looking for a "truck gun" but specifically said no glocks. Yet people kept suggesting glocks or asking "why not glocks, they are better than everything else." (Not a direct quote).

I agree though that a lot of threads tend to digress into urination competitions by brand loyalists or person political agendas.
 
Ok, now I am tracking.

Every member is entitled to their opinion as long as they remain polite and do no violate the few rules we have here. If someone does violate those rules or of they do become rude then use the report button, little red triangle, to let us know.

I like Winchester and don't care that FN moved them to Portugal. I think piston ARs are a fix looking for a problem. I think bench rest shooting is boring as can be. I have all manner of opinions when it come to firearms and shooting. As long as I can state them politely and can conduct my self in a civil manner I am fine.
 
OK, let's fight over something worthwhile then:

"Member formerly known as Gus McCrae"


OK, Gus: 1860 Army, or Walker? Pick yer side and let' get down to it... :cuss:


:D

Best,

Willie

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I don't care about someone elses likes and dislikes. For certain no matter what you do or say someone is going to find it offensive. Nothing satisfies everyone. Now here's something you can laugh at or berate me. I think the finest 9mm semi automatic pistol is a Star M30 Starfire.
 
"Walker, on a cross draw to my left side. Extra cylinder one my right."

Damn, I can't even fight ya. Bring a bit o' rawhide to keep up the lever and I'll ride with ya.

<sigh> Guess we'll need to fight Comanches then. You still shoulda stayed with the girl. Let's fight over that.


Willie

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I get where you are coming from. I think it is kind of rude to bash someone's thread because of who made the firearm. My personal belief, however; is that I will try not to purchase firearms from companies that reside in anti-gun states. My thought is that a portion of the proceeds of that sale go to fund governments that are trying to dismantle my rights. I know it is a small portion, but it matters to me.

I have also made it a point to contact firearms manufactures who still supply LEO's in those states that have passed restrictive gun laws and told them I am displeased. I have even used this fact as a tie breaker when I am considering a firearm. If a company supplies firearms to LEO's in states that will not allow civilian ownership of that firearm, I will send my money to the company that does not.
 
Here is my strongest opinion: people should voice their strong opinions and be tolerated for doing so as long as they are not petty personal comments
Every member is entitled to their opinion as long as they remain polite and do no violate the few rules we have here.
That's pretty much it. State your case politely, and say you disagree with someones point, but do it without bashing the other person or their position.

"It's so easy a cave man could do it." :)
 
In the case of the folks here (and in any such Forum) that I categorize as Serial Rudes (the nicest of several terms that I use) you can always add them to your IGNORE LIST (found in the User Options link at the upper left) ... after doing that their posts will be hidden from you.

20+ years ago during the heyday of the BBSes, the IGNORE LIST on Mail Readers was called the TWIT FILTER, terminology which I still think is more apropos, if not quite so PC. ;)
 
For instance, one guy a while back was looking for a "truck gun" but specifically said no glocks. Yet people kept suggesting glocks or asking "why not glocks, they are better than everything else." (Not a direct quote).

Depending on the tone, there is a difference between "you should just get a Glock" and "why are you excluding Glocks?" The former does nothing to help the thread's OP figure out his situation, but the later can maybe help the OP overcome an unfair bias against that brand or help diagnose what he wants.

If the person saying "no Glocks" doesn't like Glock because of the grip angle or the looks, you're not going to change his opinion. Similarly, if he's had bad experiences with Glocks, you're not likely to convince him his experience was rare.

If the person saying "no Glocks" doesn't like Glock because he doesn't like polymer frame, striker-fired pistols with no manual safety, then asking "why" and him clarifying that he prefers steel and a hammer will let you know to take any other glock-type weapon off the table (or argue about why he should put them on the table).

On the other hand, if the person is saying "no Glocks" because "my cousin said his friend once had a Glock jam" or "I read online that Glocks can KB", you can set the record straight.
 
OTOH, if its my thread and a I say "No GLOCKS!" it likely means I don't want to discuss Glocks for any reason because I have already ruled them out and don't want to have to wade through a bunch of fanboy posts praising them and at the same time, distracting from and/or discouraging the discussion I want to have.
 
Who Likes What, and How We Should Act

Boys, boys ! Let's all try to get along. The 1858 Rem. is nice, and the 1860 Army is too. And, let's not forget about the good old "Big Boy" Walker.

Now, just close your eyes, for a moment of meditation, and I'm going to start shooting at all of youse guys. The last man standing, wins !:D
 
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