Jim Watson
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That is really strange. Most Dillon pistol caliber dies have such a wide mouth for easy entry on a wobbly shellplate that they may not size down far enough for all chambers. I have "U" dies made by Lee for EGW for such occasions.
Tired of having the taper erased from your .30 Carbine brass?
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That is really strange. Most Dillon pistol caliber dies have such a wide mouth for easy entry on a wobbly shellplate that they may not size down far enough for all chambers. I have "U" dies made by Lee for EGW for such occasions.
ReloaderFred
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OK, I don't know how to make this any plainer to you, but the carbide insert in my RCBS .30 Carbine sizing die is 1.2255" long. That's not a ring, it's a full length insert. I just sized a case in that die, and it came out at .3235" in diameter at the case mouth, and .3540" in diameter at the base. These measurements were taken with a Starrett Micrometer. In my 55 years of reloading, that's always been known as a taper.
I have no idea why you keep doubting that my RCBS die has a full length carbide sizing INSERT, or why you keep insisting that my die is "erasing the taper". And I'm not going to send you my die for inspection. It is what it is.
Hope this helps.
Fred
Fred,
Cool your jets. I believe your RCBS carbide .30 Carbine sizing die is a full length sleeve, not a short carbide collar.
BTW, as best as I can determine, the carbide sleeve in my RCBS carbide sizing die is 13/16". I got my die set in 2014.
Cool your jets. I believe your RCBS carbide .30 Carbine sizing die is a full length sleeve, not a short carbide collar.
BTW, as best as I can determine, the carbide sleeve in my RCBS carbide sizing die is 13/16". I got my die set in 2014.
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ReloaderFred
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My jets are plenty cool........ You can measure the true length of your carbide insert by putting a dowel, or even a .30 Carbine case in from the top base down, after removing the decapping assembly, and have it rest on the upper edge of the carbide insert. There should be a lip there. Then take the tail of your caliper and run it in from the mouth of the die with the tail end of the caliper against the die mouth, and when the tail reaches the base of whatever you're using to rest against the top of the insert, you'll have an almost exact measurement of the length of the insert. It takes less time to do it than it took me to type how it's done.
Hope this helps.
Fred
Hope this helps.
Fred
ReloaderFred
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Post #20.
ReloaderFred
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Then why did you post the above? That's the equivalent of calling me a liar. That doesn't set well.
I told you several times my die doesn't "erase the taper", but you still doubt it. I also told you the Dillon die was made incorrectly, both in this thread and the previous thread, and you still want to argue about it by saying the second die did the same. I believe I told you in the previous thread that it was made incorrectly, too.
Like they say, you can lead a mule to water, but you can't make him drink...........
Fred
ReloaderFred
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OK, the printed word is very one dimensional, and sometimes the meaning doesn't come through. I get a little impatient as I get older, so I apologize if I misinterpreted your meaning.
I've attended the SHOT Show every year it's been in Las Vegas since 1991, back when I was a gun dealer. My experience with the Dillon reps at the show has been that they don't want to hear anything that disparages their products. I have friends who also attend the SHOT Show, and use Dillon equipment, but they also avoid the Dillon booth because of the attitude they've experienced there. I have a neighbor who owned a metal plating business in Phoenix and used to do plating for Dillon, but he finally told Mike Dillon to take his business elsewhere, as he was tired of his attitude and business practices. While I have a few pieces of Dillon equipment, I'm not a Dillon fan. You told them twice their .30 Carbine die was incorrectly made, and they didn't listen to you, and that's been my experience with them in the past. They do stand behind their equipment, and will replace it when it breaks (they copied that directly from RCBS). All they had to do with the two dies you sent back to them was size a few pieces of fired .30 Carbine brass and they would have seen the problem, but I'll bet that was never done. They'll keep selling those dies, and people who buy them will think the problem is something they're doing, not with the "holy" Dillon equipment... It's a shame, too, as it does a disservice to the buyer. I had a Dillon rep actually swear at me on the phone because I was using a Dillon 1200 electric case trimmer on an RCBS Rockchucker, and a Hornady LnL press. And all I did was answer his question as to which press I was using the trimmer on. Needless to say, he didn't make points for his company that day.
Fred
I've attended the SHOT Show every year it's been in Las Vegas since 1991, back when I was a gun dealer. My experience with the Dillon reps at the show has been that they don't want to hear anything that disparages their products. I have friends who also attend the SHOT Show, and use Dillon equipment, but they also avoid the Dillon booth because of the attitude they've experienced there. I have a neighbor who owned a metal plating business in Phoenix and used to do plating for Dillon, but he finally told Mike Dillon to take his business elsewhere, as he was tired of his attitude and business practices. While I have a few pieces of Dillon equipment, I'm not a Dillon fan. You told them twice their .30 Carbine die was incorrectly made, and they didn't listen to you, and that's been my experience with them in the past. They do stand behind their equipment, and will replace it when it breaks (they copied that directly from RCBS). All they had to do with the two dies you sent back to them was size a few pieces of fired .30 Carbine brass and they would have seen the problem, but I'll bet that was never done. They'll keep selling those dies, and people who buy them will think the problem is something they're doing, not with the "holy" Dillon equipment... It's a shame, too, as it does a disservice to the buyer. I had a Dillon rep actually swear at me on the phone because I was using a Dillon 1200 electric case trimmer on an RCBS Rockchucker, and a Hornady LnL press. And all I did was answer his question as to which press I was using the trimmer on. Needless to say, he didn't make points for his company that day.
Fred
How refreshing for a change!
Gads after all the years of reading forums. I do not think I have ever heard a disparaging word about Dillon.
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mljdeckard
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I started with the Lee set, sounds like I made the right choice. I have never had any issues with them.
Called RCBS to verify what I was measuring: the length of the carbide sleeve in their .30 Carbine resizing die is 13/16". Could only get the smaller and larger diameters of the sleeve. He (a manufacturing engineer) told me he had no engineering specs defining sleeve length.
BTW, went ahead and ordered the Lee "full length carbide sizing die". Let you guys know how that goes.
BTW, went ahead and ordered the Lee "full length carbide sizing die". Let you guys know how that goes.
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