Tisas hi power clone weirdness

[Ronald Hougland]

recently got hi power clone, have been having random fte problems. Changed extractor and spring, changed recoil spring, polished ramp and chamber, still having problems with 115 grain brass case ammo.got some 147 grain to try it.had a 200 round box of aluminum case 115 wife got by mistake, so figured I'd shoot it first to warm gun up before I tried 147! Put 11 mags of aluminum through it with 0 malfunctions! Started shooting 147, second mag fte! Just what is going on here? I don't mind shooting aluminum, its cheap, but just don't make sense! Anyone have any experience with this?

 

[Ironicaintit]

What’s the OAL of the 115 vs the 147?

 

[edwardware]

fte problems.

Too vague, needs pictures! There's at least a half-dozen different failures that could be lumped in "fte".

Failure to Extract? Failure to Eject? Stovepipe? Recamber brass and double-feed? Rechamber brass without feeding? Mouth into barrel hood jam? The mind boggles. . .

 

[barnetmill]

Be very careful with the browning hipower clones and check out the mechanical safeties with care. I was present at a match where one discharged upon manipulation of the safety. I do not know the what or why of it. It went off in a holster at an IDPA match when the safety was manipulated. No one was hurt. Range-match officers did confirm that the safety was defective.

 

[Reinz]

What’s the OAL of the 115 vs the 147?

Also check and compare, shape of the Bullet and length of the exposed bullet from case. May need to coat bullet with that purple stuff or felt tip marker and look for rub marks on bullet from hitting the slide stop and or rifling marks from a shorter free chamber.

 

[Ronald Hougland]

It's letting go of the case or something on brass , but not aluminum? Cases have marks where extractor is grabbing it, just stops hlf way out! They're not stuck in chamber, if you drop mag they fall right out the rest of the way and aren't tight in chamber. Like I said don't make any sense to me?

 

[Ironicaintit]

What did you replace the extractor and spring with? A Tisas part, FN/Browning, or other?

 

[Ronald Hougland]

B&h springs extractor and spring

 

[Ronald Hougland]

I got it manly for range use, so if it just wants to shoot aluminum, fine! Just don't understand why it's being weird?

 

[Ironicaintit]

Uh.... I’m fresh out of ideas.
I’m not a huge fan of clones, let alone Turkish clones.
Hard to say without laying hands on it. I’m sure somebody will be by that’s more useful.

 

[Ronald Hougland]

Well I have been wanting a hi power, just didn't want to pay 1200 or more for one! Got this for 350, so figured if I have to put a little in it to get it right it's all good!

 

[jonnyc]

Worthy purchase, just need to sort it out.
- Is the extractor lubed and has free movement?
- Is the ejector length correct?
- Any chips on the extractor?
- Is the top round in the mag interfering with extraction?

 

[roc1]

My Tisas has been flawless. I put B&H complete spring kit in mine made trigger lot better, did same on my Browning both are extremely reliable and accurate. Maybe you contact distributor for insight I heard they have excellent warranty service don’t know personally haven’t needed it
Good luck
Roc1

 

[mgmorden]

I'd say try to get some pictures as noted. One thing to be aware of: a lot of times, getting an aftermarket extractor compared to factory can definitely improve reliability, but a lot of times the aftermarket extractors need a bit of fitting. If you treat it like a drop in part sometimes it can make the situation worse. I had to replace my Hi Power extractor for proper functioning (I used a Cylinder & Slide part) but that was mostly due to wear since I bought an old Israeli surplus pistol. That one did take a bit of fitting though.

 

[lincen]

Might not be able to right now, but trying other brass cased ammo from another manufacturer or different grain would be my first step. My Tisas clone has been flawless. I was hesitant to try Turkish made clones but have three now with no problems. I also have Colts, Kimbers, Smiths, Sigs, Rugers,....... a good reliable gun is a good reliable gun no matter where it is made. Likewise if it is not trustworthy, it doesn't matter where it is made. Also, the tired argument about parts availability doesn't fly with me either. Many made in the USA guns are also difficult to impossible to find parts.

 

[Tallball]

I owned a Turkish Tisas 1911 clone that gave me no problems at all after five years of ownership.

I owned an SAR polymer CZ75 compact clone that was also excellent.

They both got traded towards a barely-used S&W 629 Classic.

I replaced the Turkish clone with a Filipino clone, and replaced the SAR with another identical SAR.

Out of three Turkish clones and thousands of rounds fired, I have experienced exactly zero malfunctions.

SAR B6C 9mm

• Tallball
• Jul 27, 2019

 

[Ronald Hougland]

My Tisas has been flawless. I put B&H complete spring kit in mine made trigger lot better, did same on my Browning both are extremely reliable and accurate. Maybe you contact distributor for insight I heard they have excellent warranty service don’t know personally haven’t needed it
Good luck
Roc1

Have to be original purchase person, I got it used.

 

[Ronald Hougland]

this is what it usually does, however, got a 9mm flex hone and worked on the chamber! This was the first round after honing! Then put 250 rounds of Remington 115 grain brass ammo through it with 0 malfunctions! I think it did this first one out of habit! Lol then went back the next day and tried some browning 124 gain ammo and had cases stuck in chamber! And yes I cleaned it after 1st time. But the ammo was REALLY nasty stuff and even jammed in wife's glock 19! Hopefully get back to range soon and try with better quality ammo! Got cocky trying thd browning crap! Lol

 

[jonnyc]

I have 7 or 8 HPs, from a few different manufacturers. I can't recall any of them being ammo-sensitive in the least. Gotta be something out-of-whack with your chamber or extractor.

 

[roc1]

Try B&H spring kit upgrades well worth it imho. Extractor spring weak I bet worth a try will help other parts of pistol as well.
Roc1

 

[WVsig]

recently got hi power clone, have been having random fte problems. Changed extractor and spring, changed recoil spring, polished ramp and chamber, still having problems with 115 grain brass case ammo.got some 147 grain to try it.had a 200 round box of aluminum case 115 wife got by mistake, so figured I'd shoot it first to warm gun up before I tried 147! Put 11 mags of aluminum through it with 0 malfunctions! Started shooting 147, second mag fte! Just what is going on here? I don't mind shooting aluminum, its cheap, but just don't make sense! Anyone have any experience with this?

Try B&H spring kit upgrades well worth it imho. Extractor spring weak I bet worth a try will help other parts of pistol as well.
Roc1

Looking at your pic you have a basic failure to extract assuming the case in the chamber has fired properly. The bolded part of the OP is where I would start. Did the gun function properly with the Tisas extractor? It is a known failure part with these clones. It was not clear to me in your first post.

Look at the BHSS part. Double check your installation. If it looks good I would still remove it. Inspect it for any issue, length, angle, chips and imperfections. Then compare it to the original. I assume you did not bin it. I am almost 100% sure that the issue is going to be with this part. The part is either installed wrong or the part is out of spec. It could also be the spring. My WAGs is that the extractor tension is not strong enough to rip the heavier brass case out of the chamber but has enough tension to get the lighter alum out. It could be the extractor, the extractor spring or the barrels chamber. If the extractor checks out I am going to guess it is an out of spec barrel. If that is the case all the distributor and beg for warranty support or buy a new barrel.

If I was a betting man I would bet on the extractor being the issue.

 

[Ronald Hougland]

Looking at your pic you have a basic failure to extract assuming the case in the chamber has fired properly. The bolded part of the OP is where I would start. Did the gun function properly with the Tisas extractor? It is a known failure part with these clones. It was not clear to me in your first post.

Look at the BHSS part. Double check your installation. If it looks good I would still remove it. Inspect it for any issue, length, angle, chips and imperfections. Then compare it to the original. I assume you did not bin it. I am almost 100% sure that the issue is going to be with this part. The part is either installed wrong or the part is out of spec. It could also be the spring. My WAGs is that the extractor tension is not strong enough to rip the heavier brass case out of the chamber but has enough tension to get the lighter alum out. It could be the extractor, the extractor spring or the barrels chamber. If the extractor checks out I am going to guess it is an out of spec barrel. If that is the case all the distributor and beg for warranty support or buy a new barrel.

If I was a betting man I would bet on the extractor being the issue.

I put a 9mm flex hone through chamber and have put about 400 rounds of brass case Remington and federal ammo through it and it's working great now! Have already put b&h extractor and spring in it, and recoil spring. Chamber was apparently a little too tight, must have been last one before they changed drill bit I guess! Lol

 

[Ronald Hougland]

I've compared the old one with the new one, I took some off the pad of pld one ,but didn't help as much as I had hoped. Took a little bit off pad of new one, with a loaded round in the chamber there is no movement side to side when you shake the slide assembly, buy a little bit of wiggle up and down. I've tryed other 9mms I have, glock sig, kimber and ruger, and it's as tight or tighter than any of them and they all go bang reliability! Not sure if it's supposed to be tighter or not? Didn't want to get carried away filing pad and messing it up!

 

[Ronald Hougland]

Well it's started acting up again! Same thing! I'm just really getting frustrated with this thing! Its grabbing case this good, but leaving it barely out of chamber! Lock slide back and drop mag and case just falls out of chamber! I don't get it!

 

[Mauser lover]

Not a hi-power guy here, so you folks will need to correct me if I say something stupid.

Take the slide off the gun, take the barrel out.
Can you slide the case under the extractor up against the bolt face? Will the extractor hold it there, or does it fall out?

Don't embiggen your chamber any more unless you get some real gauges. You don't want to mess up the headspace.