To carry or not to carry - what would you do?

[ruger1228]

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Illegal in Michigan to carry if you have been drinking. Yes, only 1 beer. No ETOH when you are carrying

Wrong-O...BAC .02 if CC, BAC .08 if OC
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Clipper,
Here is the Michigan law:28.425k sec 5k 2c
If the person had a bodily alcohol content of .02 or more but less than .08 grams per 100 ml of blood, per 210 liters of breath, or per 67 ml of urine, the individual is responsible for a state civil infraction and may be fined not more than $100. The court may order the concealed weapons licensing board that issued the individual the license to revoke the license for one year. The concealed weapons licensing board shall revoke the license as ordered by the court. The court shall notify the concealed weapons licensing board that issued the individual a license to carry a concealed pistol if an individual is found responsible for a subsequent violation of this subdivision.

I know I would not want to take the chance of drinking just 1 beer or 1 drink and jeopardize my license by having a BAL of .02 or higher and having my license revoked.

 

[CelticArmory]

I carry EVERYWHERE (except in those placed where it's illegal). I would only CC if the weather required me to wear a coat, otherwise, I'd be OCing, which is my normal mode.

 

[Clipper]

Quote:
Illegal in Michigan to carry if you have been drinking. Yes, only 1 beer. No ETOH when you are carrying

Wrong-O...BAC .02 if CC, BAC .08 if OC
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Clipper,
Here is the Michigan law:28.425k sec 5k 2c
If the person had a bodily alcohol content of .02 or more but less than .08 grams per 100 ml of blood, per 210 liters of breath, or per 67 ml of urine, the individual is responsible for a state civil infraction and may be fined not more than $100. The court may order the concealed weapons licensing board that issued the individual the license to revoke the license for one year. The concealed weapons licensing board shall revoke the license as ordered by the court. The court shall notify the concealed weapons licensing board that issued the individual a license to carry a concealed pistol if an individual is found responsible for a subsequent violation of this subdivision.

I know I would not want to take the chance of drinking just 1 beer or 1 drink and jeopardize my license by having a BAL of .02 or higher and having my license revoked.

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Last edited by ruger1228; Yesterday at 04:24 PM. Reason: adding information

Two things:
1. You were wrong about zero tolerance. Period
2. I notice you are unaware, or choose to not notice, if you OC, the BAC level is the same as for everyone else.

That being said, I do not advocate drinking and guns, I'm simply clarifying an incorrect answer you gave to what could concievably be a very important distinction to someone someday.

 

[Old Shooter]

On the one hand, Of course I'd carry concealed to give the neighbor a hand (or backup in this case).

On the other hand, if things went from bad to worse and I had alcohol on my breath I would probably be in for a long night talking to people at the local police station, even if my actoons were eventually considered justified.

 

[Fred Fuller]

Can we simply agree that mixing alcohol and firearms are potential trouble in the legal sense and move on with this discussion?

lpl

 

[bikerdoc]

Simple answer, yes, go. concealed means concealed.

 

[uspJ]

that's a touchy situation, if something had happened and you were forced to use your weapon you could have gotten into some legal trouble if the officers had found out you had carried concealed. personally if i had been drinking, even just one beer i don't think i would have carried. i would have still went over and assisted the neighbor if he needed help but i would have done so unarmed.

have you considered a secondary means of defense like oc or a small baton should something like this occur?

 

[ruger1228]

Lee,
I totally agree: alcohol and firearms do not mix. No how, No way.
thom

 

[gossamer]

Last night I was drinking a beer

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Don't want to fall into the "when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail" trap.

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Turns out the "drunk" had just had a stroke a few days ago and was disoriented.

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An overzealous prosecutor's wet dream.

"You had been drinking, came off your property, armed with a gun, and shot a stroke patient" is what a jury will hear. Lot's of sympathy, and not for the person with the gun.

My answer would be to come over armed (someone posted the Jutte) but not with a gun. Not every situation calls for going to this tool in terms of personal protection.

 

[NMGonzo]

If I have pants on ... I'm armed.

I usually have pants on when I go to the neighbors.

My Bersa sits on my robe pocket.