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[MtnCreek]

I can’t wait to start hearing about folks that bought $900 AR’s for $1200 in hopes to flip them for $1800. Once something has become the obvious investment, it’s typically too late to get in.

 

[BSA1]

x wrench,

I prepared a lengthy post addressing your points but then I realized that with all of well reasoned posts already on the forum it would not cause you to change your position so I will leave you with this thought;

If you put a frog in a pan of hot water he will immediately jump out.

If you put the same frog in a pan of cool water and gradually raise the temperature it will just sit there and cook to death.

 

[PabloJ]

ok, i get why a lot of things are being bought because of the possibility of gun control laws. firearms, ammo, reloading components for many things. but i do not understand some things. certainly they will not outlaw 22 long rifle ammunition. to do that would be certain political suicide for all concerned. i do not believe that the ridiculous "high capacity" 22 long rifle law new york passed will stand up to the test of time either. it is just plain stupid. and all it will take to defeat it is someone willing to put up the money to defend the rights of the people. the same goes for certain calibers of hunting rounds. like the 30-30. to outlaw that would be to outlaw well over 100 years of family tradition hunting and firearms that have been handed down from one generation to the next for more decades and scores than i care to talk about. since no one to my knowledge has ever produced a semi auto 30-30, you would think that this caliber would be exempt from anything but totally insane legislation. i was going to the same for the 45-70, but the original "machine gun" took care of that. those are just two of the most obvious calibers that crossed my mind. i know there are MANY others. if i owned a ak-47, or 74, or anything even remotely tied to the "assault weapon" theme that the crazed politicians are homing in on, i would be buying up anything i could get my hands on as well. but some things just make no sense to me about all of this. whats next, shotgun shells? muzzle loading projectiles, powder, and caps?

Buy some batteries and do not worry about status quo. It will help you greatly if you avoid places or locations in larger stores where guns and ammo are sold.

 

[Davek1977]

IMO, you aren't giving the anti's nearly enough credit. You are sorely mistaken if you honestly believe they care one bit whether the 30-30 has been in your family for years, and has become a bit of a heirloom. They don't CARE that plinking with a .22 is something many of us have casually enjoyed for decades. They don't care about family traditions, heirlooms, hunting, or anything else. You have a firearm, therefore you equate to being a "bad guy" in their view. When we have laws passed banning things like "a shoulder thingy that goes up" you can somewhat safely assume all common sense has left the building. When you have anti's so irrational, so convinced they are doing the "right" thing by passing whatever conceivable gun control they can come up with, its going to have an effect on shooters. Right now,considering some of the seeming silly and/or simply stupid laws that have been proposed and in some cases passed, people are scared, and IMO, rightfully so. I think the worst thing anyone can do, though, is assume the anti's give a crap about our traditions, our heirlooms, our way of life. They don't, and gambling that they somehow do care about us is, in a word, asinine. They have proven to us they don't care about us. The only remedy is to show them the same kind of attitude at the voting booth.

 

[mcdonl]

I buy as much as I can afford all of the time. Just paying more right now. I cannot afford to buy much ever either, so it is hurting me in a bad way.

As far as what they would/could ban?

Here is how I see it.

Step 1 - trying to be pushed through right now but they do not want to stop us from hunting (lie)

Step 2 - we do not need guns to hunt, bow hunting is all the natives needed.

Step 3 - cave men got by just fine with spears.

Nothing is safe.


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[Queen_of_Thunder]

The ugly truth is its not getting better. Ammo is still disappearing moments after its put on the shelf for sale. As one of those standing in line 90 minutes before Academy opens I can tell you I'm seeing new faces every day looking for ammo. Its becoming a family affiar as everyone in the family who can purchase ammo is showing up. Its there attempt to get around the 1box per day limit. BTW it started out being 10 minutes before the store opens and now people are showing up @ 0545 to get in line.


The Washington Post and NY Times have an attack article or opinion piece on the Second Amendment, guns or the NRA in their papers every single day. MSNBC and CNN are also on the attack as other media outlets are.
Make no mistake about it they want the Second Amendment gutted or gone. People understand this and many have responded by buying guns and ammo. This move along wirh the constant propaganda coming from elected officials and the national media has caused a run on guns and ammo.

We are now in the fight of our lives and many still think its something that will resolve itself with time. Well cancer left untreated resolves itself with time too but that result is not acceptable.

The shortage of ammo will continue.

The 2014 elections will only keep the shortage in place as the Second Amendment will be a major issue as it will be in the 2016 elections. It may very well be 2017/2018 before we see daylight. Also lets not forget what individual States are doing.


Prices will go up. Why?

Simple.
Component prices will naturally rise.

Transportation costs will rise.

The cost of doing business will rise.

The success in Colorado will only encourage the Anti's to continue.

People who have been on the sidelines since December will enter the market as they realize that they may have missed their chance for ammo, guns and reloading supplies.


The entire supply line between those who make the ammo to those who use it has to be restocked and present capacity cannot produce enough to meet that demand.



The demand will not subside.

 

[Tipro]

If people just bought what they shot, and maybe kept a couple hundred rounds on hand in case of an emergency - all you'd really need - there would be no shortage. I don't get the mentality of hoarding ammo like that, but then again I don't have to.

I'm one of those that some might say were too stupid to prepare. Actually, I never had the money to buy ten thousand rounds of every caliber I might want to shoot. Now that I can't find ammo for anything but my .38, I've started fishing more in my free time. Things are working out just fine, when you look at it from that perspective.

 

[huntsman]

The 2014 elections will only keep the shortage in place as the Second Amendment will be a major issue as it will be in the 2016 elections. It may very well be 2017/2018 before we see daylight.

that will pretty much take us up to the end of the Republic, so if you got ammo now better save some, if not start practicing with the sticks and stones.

 

[MtnCreek]

.....Here is how I see it.

Step 1 - trying to be pushed through right now but they do not want to stop us from hunting (lie)

Step 2 - we do not need guns to hunt, bow hunting is all the natives needed.

Step 3 - cave men got by just fine with spears.
.........

And the French got by just fine with a guillotine.

 

[onibaba]

If people just bought what they shot, and maybe kept a couple hundred rounds on hand in case of an emergency - all you'd really need - there would be no shortage. I don't get the mentality of hoarding ammo like that, but then again I don't have to.

I'm one of those that some might say were too stupid to prepare. Actually, I never had the money to buy ten thousand rounds of every caliber I might want to shoot. Now that I can't find ammo for anything but my .38, I've started fishing more in my free time. Things are working out just fine, when you look at it from that perspective.

Two things:

1) Americans should be free to do and buy what ever they feel they want or need. Suggesting that they only buy X amount of ammo is nothing more than "people control". Simply un-American.

2) Not everyone prepares for emergencies the same way. No one can guarantee that "all you'd ever need" is X amount of anything.

Certainly many people are expecting to buy sell and trade anything they have of value. One extra box of ammo might purchase 6 months of toilet paper.

George Washington certainly didn't expect that they would be marching and fighting without shoes...

 

[Killian]

Some of this will be driven for the same reason people buy guns in the first place. They get robbed, intimidated, raped, or assaulted. They go buy a gun for self protection. Then they look for ammo--and don't find it. That's when its time to pay whatever it takes to get the ammo.

 

[X-Rap]

More Americans prepare every day and that is a good thing. I'm sure there are some that are panicing because they have discovered that things they thought were available aren't and that will continue for the future as far as I am concerned. There is also a large group that "hords" things and automaticaly increase what they might normally have to cushion against the shortages, this most people are smart enough to learn after going without once.

 

[onibaba]

The word hoard and hoarding has (purposely) been given a negative connotation. My american heritage dictionary's defines the word hoard as such:

"A hidden or secret supply stored up for future use. To gather or accumulate a hoard."

Hoarding used to be as common as baking your own bread. Not derogatory, common, normal and expected. One of its synonyms is "store".

Today its used as a control word. To keep people thinking that storing goods for future use is bad. That it somehow deprives others.

However, that mindset only encourages instant gratification and dependence on others to supply that gratification.

Hoarding is a natural part of the thinking apparatus. We have been conditioned to think and act otherwise...

 

[26point2]

I can’t wait to start hearing about folks that bought $900 AR’s for $1200 in hopes to flip them for $1800. Once something has become the obvious investment, it’s typically too late to get in.

Think they'll ask for government assistance because of the negative equity of their AR?

 

[nelsonal]

I don't think it's panic buyers so much as shooters who find their preferred cartridge more expensive to feed than even costly .22 so switch and a resparking of interest in shootin bringing a whole bunch of owners of a .22 who hadn't shot it in some time deciding it's time to get a box or two to brush up. I've seen reasonable guesses that in normal times only a box or two of .22 is made per gun which means there is likely normally a large portion of .22 shooters that are rarely fed and what's changed is that many of them are nowowned by people who want to shoot them.

 

[Queen_of_Thunder]

I don't think it's panic buyers so much as shooters who find their preferred cartridge more expensive to feed than even costly .22 so switch and a resparking of interest in shootin bringing a whole bunch of owners of a .22 who hadn't shot it in some time deciding it's time to get a box or two to brush up. I've seen reasonable guesses that in normal times only a box or two of .22 is made per gun which means there is likely normally a large portion of .22 shooters that are rarely fed and what's changed is that many of them are nowowned by people who want to shoot them.

A good observation. Normally I would shoot only 50 rounds of 22lr a month. Now that 9mm,40s&w and 45acp ate near imposdible o find I shoot 22lr. That means buying more than usual.

 

[David E]

It's just frustrating when folks go a little crazy before they have to.

When would they "have to" go a little crazy?

Should people wait until there's a fire in their house before they "have to go a little crazy" and buy a fire extinguisher?

 

[Akita1]

I'm just trying to keep enough to feed my shooting habit, which is typically a couple of hundred rounds a week (1 trip to the range or hunting camp each week). I wish I had stockpiled before but am not going to try to do so during this craziness. My club sells 1-2 boxes max per day (not per visit) just to keep enough on hand for equitable distribution to members who need it. It is what is is, for now.

 

[MagnunJoe]

Why 2 reasons.
When we have another mass shooting things will get even uglier 4 us.
A democratic congress in 2014 would be able to complicate things even more 4 us.

 

[sleepyone]

I guess people are buying as much as they can right now because it is their right. Just like it is also their right to not be prepared and pay more than they would have had they been prepared in the first place.

 

[heeler]

What I find weird is practically all ammo is in short supply.
I mean really how many go out on a regular basis and shoot a .25 ACP or a 30-30 or their 300 Win. Mag?
But just try finding it.
I was one who clearly saw the writing on the wall in 2009 and started stocking up.
I even sold a box of Blazer 9mm and a box of S&B 9mm to a lady at work whose husband just bought a Beretta Storm and cant even feed the thing.
And no I did not gouge her.
I asked $25 for both boxes.
What I am truely wondering is come this winter when deer season opens will there be rifle ammo available in common calibers such as 30-06,308,243,30-30,etc?
There really isnt much of it available currently at all.

 

[X-Rap]

heeler
My answer is simple. If you had only a 25acp, 30-30 or 300wm and you had some understanding of the state of the world would you not choose to have 100, 200?? rounds for that gun. Just in case. If last year you owned nothing but decided you needed at least a .22 would you not want a few bricks to go with it. Would you not share your concerns with other friends and family and encourage them to do ilkewise?
I seriously don't believe this is about practice ammo. People are preparing for something, it may be different for each but they are preparing in their own way and it involves guns and ammunition.

 

[heeler]

It truely is a new phenomenon in my life X-Rap.
Fwiw I have been buying at least $10 worth of non perishable food each time I do my grocery shopping and just received yesterday a 30 day food supply pail made by Augason Farms via Sam's Club.
Who would have ever thought...

 

[X-Rap]

Food, water, shelter and a means of protection. These once were mainstays of our fore fathers. I don't think it's a bad thing that we are getting back to our roots a little.

 

[MtnCreek]

Good point X-Rap. General preparedness was once a way of life. We could take some lessons from this and use them when teaching our children. Everything isn’t always instant and nothing is guaranteed.