Tokarev TT3 or Polish P64

[mongo4567]

I really like the T-33 of the two. They shoot really well and the round is a powerhouse. I've shot a P64, they are fine (especially after a spring kit to correct the terrible trigger)...I just like other options better.

 

[Shadow 7D]

really depends, I woudl suggest that you try them first, as they are two completely different guns, one is a modified browning, the other a weird sorta walther.

the P64 is known to have a monkey cruncher DA, some have gauged theirs at ~20#
but you can bring down via respringing it, BUT it then lowers the SA that is ~3-4# to start with.

Tok has a funny grip angle

 

[tinygnat219]

Ok, a LOT of chaff in this thread that should be discarded. However, there are some nuggets you should consider.

TT-33: Pros: gun is cheap, plinking ammo is cheap. Cons: Aftermarket safety for "importation", nothing but really unreliable FMJ commie surplus ammo out there. No way to keep a round safely chambered. If you trust that aftermarket safety that was slapped on to keep the ATF happy, it's a bad thing.

P-64: Pros: Gun is cheap. It's a TDA gun, with a safety / decocker. Cons: REALLY REALLY Tough DA pull, with a LIGHT SA pull. Not sure I'd trust something with that kind of a DA trigger. SD Ammo is kind of tough to find.

CZ-82: Best Commie Surplus gun out there. High capacity (12 rounds), NICE TDA trigger, manual safety that one can ignore, Cost. Cons: chambering.

I'm at least glad no one suggested the Nagant Revolver. I mean, there are better choices for Self-Defense guns than guns that were obsolete prior to WWI.

 

[ultradoc]

The 64 is nice. Stiff trigger though. Ammo is plentiful and you can probably find a 64 for $200 [or less]. Have you thought about a Makerov? Same cal.but a better gun. Good luck

 

[harmon rabb]

The DA trigger on the 64 is fine after a spring swap that takes 5 minutes to do.

 

[jerkface11]

I'd go with the tokarev. Load up some XTP's for it and there you go.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Um jerk
were do you find decent wight XTP's for a .32 cal?
all I can find is for .32acp and those are LIGHT for a tok

 

[mgmorden]

Um jerk
were do you find decent wight XTP's for a .32 cal?
all I can find is for .32acp and those are LIGHT for a tok

Tok's aren't .32 cal (.312"). They're .30 cal (.308"). Hornady makes a 90gr XTP for them. I've loaded them myself.

MidwayUSA has them:

http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/72...ter-90-grain-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-100

 

[group17]

"JG sales has CZ82s in .380 for $240"

That's what a NIB Bersa 380 goes for that comes with a lifetime warranty.
Plus he knows how to shoot it and can get all the parts he wants. Why switch
from a gun that works. I bought mine slightly used for $180.

 

[Scimmia]

Tok's aren't .32 cal (.312"). They're .30 cal (.308").

Depends on the Tok, the bores vary a lot. Some would be better of with the .312" bullet. I've got one that slugs at .3115", the .32 cal bullets would be perfect assuming they'll take the velocity.

were do you find decent wight XTP's for a .32 cal?
all I can find is for .32acp and those are LIGHT for a tok

I certainly wouldn't call 85 or 100 grains LIGHT for a tok.

http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/60...ter-85-grain-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-100
http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/40...er-100-grain-jacketed-hollow-point-box-of-100

 

[Mudcat Stew]

Thanks for all the input THR folks!!

My situation for a glove box gun has been resolved. Sad to say I didn't buy any of the discussed pistols.

A few years back I loaned my Taurus PT58 to my brother in law. It was a real shiny gun, not sure if it was nickle or polished stainless.

He had a near break in and no gun. I had originally bought it for my wife's car, but she had stopped carrying it when she started teaching. Back then he was just starting out his career and to broke to buy a gun, so I loaned it to him.

Since then he has finished his CPA and is a partner at a firm and is doing well for himself. I told him I needed to get it back for my car, but would loan him a nice little .22 revolver till he decided to buy a gun that was good for HD.

He's dropping it buy this weekend. I never was crazy about the PT58. It was a bit thick handled for the size of it, but having 12 shots is a plus I guess.

Thanks for all your input. Sorry I sent you on a wild goose chase...

As a side question. I imagine my Mother in Law would take no offense to taking the Taurus and me picking my Bersa Thunder .380 backup. Thoughts?

 

[Onmilo]

She might like those additional shots and she isn't going to be carrying the gun anyway,,,,right?

 

[makarovnik]

I have both. The TT33 is not ugly at all. It's quite sexy and carries well because it's so thin. Both are very accurate but the TT33 is more pleasant to shoot and has a better trigger.

 

[Dr_2_B]

You might tell mom-in-law that you have a better option for her. Telling her Taurus has been around longer, etc. Will she fire the thing? If so, you might let her fire the two. I'd be willing to bet the PT58 offers less felt recoil. I would think she would see it as an upgrade. And if she doesn't, you're not in bad shape at all having the Taurus in your glove compartment.

 

[Oldnoob]

My vote is on Tok over P64. I love the 7.63x25 round. The Box o'truth tested this round out of CZ 52 and the it performed amazingly.

http://theboxotruth.com/docs/edu25.htm

I too have a small hand, so I actually like my Tok much more than my CZ 52.





Either way, if this is all you can afford. There are some none surplus ammo made my S&B and Winchester. Cheap gun beats no gun.

 

[brnmuenchow]

I have a Yugo M57 which is a Yugo copy of the Soviet TT-33 type pistol. It may not be pretty, but it shoots like there was no tomorrow! If I could find some 7.62X25mmTT in HP conf. I would have that thing ready to go for home defense in a heartbeat.

 

[MCgunner]

I've handled a P64 but do not own one. The one I handled/shot had the toughest triger of any HG I've ever fired.

The P64 responds miraculously to a Wolff spring kit. Mine's pretty nice, though the transition from DA to the VERY light SA is a little hard to get used to. I had a Tok, Norinco in 9x19. Actually, I've had 2. They were flat, but not pocket sized like the P64. Weren't as accurate as the P64, but adequate for a defense gun and shot to POA. the grip angle on the Tok was crappy IMHO, too, where my P64 is a superb point shooter. The P64 is just a little gem once you get a spring kit in it, one of the current milsurp bargains. Any of the eastern block 9x18s would serve you well in your application and IMHO better than the Tok. My Toks fed and functioned fine, just don't think they were the bargains that the P64 is. I liked mine so much I even sprung for some wood Marschal grips.

 

[Kiln]

Just a quick thing to think about: My P64 is not a comfortable range toy...it often leaves bruises on the web of my hand after a box of ammo. For concealed carry it would be pretty good and for a nightstand gun it would serve its purpose well also. Just don't get it thinking that it'll be one that you enjoy shooting often.

 

[harmon rabb]

Just a quick thing to think about: My P64 is not a comfortable range toy...it often leaves bruises on the web of my hand after a box of ammo. For concealed carry it would be pretty good and for a nightstand gun it would serve its purpose well also. Just don't get it thinking that it'll be one that you enjoy shooting often.

I second this. The p64 is probably the best bargain price carry gun out there -- it's small, about the size of a kel-tec pf-9 -- but it is NOT fun to shoot.

 

[Deaf Smith]

I have a Yugo M57 which is a Yugo copy of the Soviet TT-33 type pistol. It may not be pretty, but it shoots like there was no tomorrow! If I could find some 7.62X25mmTT in HP conf. I would have that thing ready to go for home defense in a heartbeat.

Well if you reload...

http://www.hornady.com/store/.308-30-CAL-c-417/

30 Mauser .308 86 gr RN

It's a soft point! And .30 Mauser is basicly a 7.62x25!

Deaf

 

[Cactus Jack Arizona]

Pay no attention to those who would use the term "commie junk". They wouldn't know a good gun if it tap-danced across their nose. You see, the "former" Eastern Bloc countries make great firearms. The only difference is that Eastern Bloc guns are built to work. And that they do. They are not concerned like we are about beautiful finishes, fancy grips and cool tactical add-ons.

Now, as far as your Mom-in-Law is concerned, why not just get another Bersa? The P64 has quite the kick and is not a comfortable gun to shoot. For instance, the PA-63 9x18 Mak is quite the handful. My friends would only shoot two or three rounds through it, they'd put it down and walk away from it. From what I've understood, the P64 is quite a bit worse. Again, why not just purchase another Bersa?

 

[amd6547]

I agree...the P64 is an excellent pistol, but I do not enjoy shooting it.

 

[harmon rabb]

Pay no attention to those who would use the term "commie junk". They wouldn't know a good gun if it tap-danced across their nose. You see, the "former" Eastern Bloc countries make great firearms. The only difference is that Eastern Bloc guns are built to work. And that they do. They are not concerned like we are about beautiful finishes, fancy grips and cool tactical add-ons.

Now, as far as your Mom-in-Law is concerned, why not just get another Bersa? The P64 has quite the kick and is not a comfortable gun to shoot. For instance, the PA-63 9x18 Mak is quite the handful. My friends would only shoot two or three rounds through it, they'd put it down and walk away from it. From what I've understood, the P64 is quite a bit worse. Again, why not just purchase another Bersa?

The PA-63 can be made somewhat tolerable with a heavier recoil spring. The P64 not so much. Which is unfortunate, as it has a GREAT trigger in SA.

Weirdly, the Makarov and P83, both of which are about the same size and weight as the PA-63, do not kick nearly as much and are perfectly comfortable for extended range sessions. Go figure.

 

[brnmuenchow]

Well if you reload...

Deaf Smith:
This is something I have been considering now for the last few months.
I generally always used factory ammo, but do to some other types of ammo that seem hard to get at times, I have been seriously considering it.
Thanks for the link.