V4Vendetta
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In the movie, what revolvers did Doc Holliday use? I saw the movie recently & was impressed with Doc's character a great deal.
"It appears my hypocrasy knows no bounds."
"It appears my hypocrasy knows no bounds."
Tombstone.
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Harve Curry
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Colt SAA. Thell Reed was the armorer, and taught Val Kilmer how to use them. Peter Sherayko researched and supplied most of the original weapons.
V4Vendetta
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What caliber? I'm thinking of getting one or two for some fun.
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What calber you say?
why,45COLT of course.!!
why,45COLT of course.!!
V4Vendetta
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I didn't like the movie too much. Doc was the only good thing about it.
Actually, Doc said, according to Kilmer and history, "I'm your Hucklebearer".
Hucklebearers being those who carried coffins at a funeral in the old south. Arguable, but likely true.
I loved the movie (I have a well used copy), but at the OK Corral, Doc fires three rounds out of a double-barreled dozen gauge without reloading. Ah well...
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Hucklebearers being those who carried coffins at a funeral in the old south. Arguable, but likely true.
I loved the movie (I have a well used copy), but at the OK Corral, Doc fires three rounds out of a double-barreled dozen gauge without reloading. Ah well...
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I didn't like it's anti-gun message. In my opinion, since Virgil banned the good folks from being armed, he deserved to be shot. As for Wyatt himself, I don't recall who he shot back in Dodge that made him not feel like killing bad people but if he felt like he was gonna lose sleep over killing folks like Johnny Ringo or Curly Bill, he needed mental help.
As for Wyatt himself, I don't recall who he shot back in Dodge that made him not feel like killing bad people but if he felt like he was gonna lose sleep over killing folks like Johnny Ringo or Curly Bill, he needed mental help.Rupestris
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Best scene/dialog in the film:
(At the pharo table in the Orient)
Johnny Ringo: [Ringo steps up to Doc] And you must be Doc Holliday.
Doc Holliday: That's the rumor.
Johnny Ringo: You retired too?
Doc Holliday: Not me. I'm in my prime.
Johnny Ringo: Yeah, you look it.
Doc Holliday: And you must be Ringo. Look, darling, Johnny Ringo. The deadliest pistoleer since Wild Bill, they say. What do you think, darling? Should I hate him?
Kate: You don't even know him.
Doc Holliday: Yes, but there's just something about him. Something around the eyes, I don't know, reminds me of... me. No. I'm sure of it, I hate him.
Wyatt Earp: [to Ringo] He's drunk.
Doc Holliday: In Vino Veritas.
[In wine is truth. - Meaning - "When I'm drinking, I speak my mind."]
Johnny Ringo: Age Quod Agis.
[Do what you do. - Meaning - "Do what you do best."]
Doc Holliday: Credat Judaeus Apella, Non Ego. The Jew Apella may believe it, not I.
[Meaning, "Oh I don't believe drinking is what I do best."]
Johnny Ringo: Eventus Stultorum Magister.
[Events are the teachers of fools. - Meaning - "Fools have to learn by experience."]
Doc Holliday: In Pace Requiescat.
[Rest In Peace - Meaning - "It's Your Funeral!"]
...Doc Holliday: Evidently Mr. Ringo's an educated man. Now I really hate him.
(At the pharo table in the Orient)
Johnny Ringo: [Ringo steps up to Doc] And you must be Doc Holliday.
Doc Holliday: That's the rumor.
Johnny Ringo: You retired too?
Doc Holliday: Not me. I'm in my prime.
Johnny Ringo: Yeah, you look it.
Doc Holliday: And you must be Ringo. Look, darling, Johnny Ringo. The deadliest pistoleer since Wild Bill, they say. What do you think, darling? Should I hate him?
Kate: You don't even know him.
Doc Holliday: Yes, but there's just something about him. Something around the eyes, I don't know, reminds me of... me. No. I'm sure of it, I hate him.
Wyatt Earp: [to Ringo] He's drunk.
Doc Holliday: In Vino Veritas.
[In wine is truth. - Meaning - "When I'm drinking, I speak my mind."]
Johnny Ringo: Age Quod Agis.
[Do what you do. - Meaning - "Do what you do best."]
Doc Holliday: Credat Judaeus Apella, Non Ego. The Jew Apella may believe it, not I.
[Meaning, "Oh I don't believe drinking is what I do best."]
Johnny Ringo: Eventus Stultorum Magister.
[Events are the teachers of fools. - Meaning - "Fools have to learn by experience."]
Doc Holliday: In Pace Requiescat.
[Rest In Peace - Meaning - "It's Your Funeral!"]
...Doc Holliday: Evidently Mr. Ringo's an educated man. Now I really hate him.
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V4Vendetta said:
It's hard not to have that in the film, since that actually happened in real life.
How exactly would you re-tell a historical event if you changed everything in it?
Oh wait, you'd have "A Million Little Pieces".
Since there was a law in Tombstone making open carry illegal, why is the film all of a sudden anti? Violating that ordinance is what caused the fight at the OK corral.
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The movie wasn't accurate on several things. For instance, Wyat & Virgil arrived in Tombstone with another of their brothers. I think it was James. Morgan appeared later. Also Morgan was actually shot a year AFTER Virgil.
I know that ordinance is what started the fight. I'm just saying that the ordinance shouldn't have been made to begin with.
I know that ordinance is what started the fight. I'm just saying that the ordinance shouldn't have been made to begin with.
robear
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Rupestris,
Thanks for the latin translation. I always wondered what Doc and Ringo were saying to each other.
R
Thanks for the latin translation. I always wondered what Doc and Ringo were saying to each other.
R
V4Vendetta said:I didn't like it's anti-gun message. In my opinion, since Virgil banned the good folks from being armed, he deserved to be shot.
Amazing how we can watch the same movie and see it completely different.
Thats what makes the world go round I guess
I believe Wyatt (in the Movie) could only be pushed so far befor he went and got a gun and let them all have it, hes killing everybody near the end
HEY Biker what is the line "Tellem Im comming and Hell's comming with me" ??
Rupestris
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robear said:Rupestris,
Thanks for the latin translation. I always wondered what Doc and Ringo were saying to each other.
R
I can't take credit for that. I found the translations on IMDB.com.
Once you understand what they're saying it makes the scene hilarious.
Another laugh out loud scene is with Doc and Ike playin' poker.
"Maybe pokers just not your game Ike. I know! Lets have a spelling contest."
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TexasSIGman said:
This part reminds me of a documentary on the History Channel... they said what it boiled down to was a conflict of interests between town people- business who carried concealed- and outside town people who adapted their carry to fit the way they dressed going about ranch work (even if they were in all actuallity outlaws). Somebody said Morgan Earp drew from his waistband at small-of-back under his suit coat much like a modern narcotics cop. Neither side was willing to see it from the other's point of view, so it came to a shootout. Simple as that, or so they said.
Rupestris said:I can't take credit for that. I found the translations on IMDB.com.
Once you understand what they're saying it makes the scene hilarious.
Another laugh out loud scene is with Doc and Ike playin' poker.
"Maybe pokers just not your game Ike. I know! Lets have a spelling contest."
L
That was a good find and your right I will laugh next time now that I know whats being said !!!!good job.
The poker statement is funny.
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Biker said:
I believe Doc only fires two shots.One of them is shown from two angles,though,leading it to appear as though he fires three.
I found Tombstone to be very entertaing,much more so than Costner's Wyatt Earp
TexasRifleman
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M.E.Eldridge said:
That was a truly horrible movie.
Never did understand why 2 studios thought it was a good idea to introduce the same movie at the same time. One was bound to be a clear winner and one a clear loser.
The shotgun used at the OK corrall was actually a 10 gauge I believe and the people Holliday hit with it were the only ones hit and not able to return fire. Food for thought even though the men there were using pretty large handgun calibers I assume. Anyone know the exasct handguns and calibers uesed there? I assume mainly 44.40s and 45LC.
Ah, the fun of reading “the truth” about Tombstone…
Anyway, the shotgun carried by “Doc” was one that belonged to Wells Fargo, and to this day the gauge is unknown. It was reserved for Virgil Earp, who was the Town Marshal (or Chief of Police, depending on what account you read). Virgil had picked up the shotgun earlier in the day, and before starting the march up to, and down Fremont Street handed Holliday the shotgun. Why? Because he was wearing a long overcoat (which the Earp’s weren’t) and Virgil wanted the scattergun covered so that his party would look less confrontational. In turn, Virgil took a cane that Doc was carrying.
According to the Coroner, the only one hit by a shotgun was Tom McLaury. His brother Frank and Billy Clanton were done in with revolver bullets. On the other side, Virgil and Morgan Earp, as well as Doc Holliday were wounded by revolver fire.
It may come as a shock to some, but the records of the Coroner’s Inquest as well as the Preliminary Hearing when the Earps and Holliday were charged with murder (and exonerated) are available. The information contained within represent the best source of information, as they were compiled no later then a month after the shooting. Thereafter the fiction writers and storytellers got in their two cents worth.
Tombstone (the movie) was great entertainment, but poor history…
Anyway, the shotgun carried by “Doc” was one that belonged to Wells Fargo, and to this day the gauge is unknown. It was reserved for Virgil Earp, who was the Town Marshal (or Chief of Police, depending on what account you read). Virgil had picked up the shotgun earlier in the day, and before starting the march up to, and down Fremont Street handed Holliday the shotgun. Why? Because he was wearing a long overcoat (which the Earp’s weren’t) and Virgil wanted the scattergun covered so that his party would look less confrontational. In turn, Virgil took a cane that Doc was carrying.
According to the Coroner, the only one hit by a shotgun was Tom McLaury. His brother Frank and Billy Clanton were done in with revolver bullets. On the other side, Virgil and Morgan Earp, as well as Doc Holliday were wounded by revolver fire.
It may come as a shock to some, but the records of the Coroner’s Inquest as well as the Preliminary Hearing when the Earps and Holliday were charged with murder (and exonerated) are available. The information contained within represent the best source of information, as they were compiled no later then a month after the shooting. Thereafter the fiction writers and storytellers got in their two cents worth.
Tombstone (the movie) was great entertainment, but poor history…
I remember an article in Guns quite a ways back, talking about the guns and the gear. They mentioned that Wyatt used a 3-trigger Stevens 10 gauge double. Now... what does a double-barreled shotgun need three triggers for?
ETA: Nevermind, I found it in another thread. The front trigger opens the action.
ETA: Nevermind, I found it in another thread. The front trigger opens the action.
Like most guns supposedly associated with famous western personalities, the history of the Stevens shotgun in question is…. Well…. Questionable. 
If one wishes to believe the story, this shotgun was carried by Wyatt Earp after the misnamed O.K. Corral gunfight – during a time he and a posse were hunting down the suspected killers of his brother Morgan, and following the wounding of Virgil during an ambush in Tombstone. If the story’s true he used the shotgun to kill Wm. (Curly Bill) Brocious.
However Wyatt didn’t carry any shotgun to the famous “street fight,” as it was called at the time.
But he did unquestionably prefer a double-barreled shotgun for situations where a six-shooter wouldn’t do, such as quelling a mob, or riding as a guard on a stagecoach.
If one wishes to believe the story, this shotgun was carried by Wyatt Earp after the misnamed O.K. Corral gunfight – during a time he and a posse were hunting down the suspected killers of his brother Morgan, and following the wounding of Virgil during an ambush in Tombstone. If the story’s true he used the shotgun to kill Wm. (Curly Bill) Brocious.
However Wyatt didn’t carry any shotgun to the famous “street fight,” as it was called at the time.
But he did unquestionably prefer a double-barreled shotgun for situations where a six-shooter wouldn’t do, such as quelling a mob, or riding as a guard on a stagecoach.
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