doc2rn
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Top 10 guns sold BY BUD'S in 2012, really?
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justice06rr
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Because the AK is cheaper... and so is almost every firearm in that list.
Remember that most people who buy from that site (Buds I believe) are looking for bargains. Nothing wrong with that as I like good prices myself. You definitely don't see HK's and Noveske's on that list LOL.
Fishslayer
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Not so much the Rugers, but which ones are listed. Ruger sells a LOT of guns.
No 10/22? No MKIII?
They sold more Nagant revolvers than 22/45? Or actually just about any American made handgun.
FEG's been out of business for years.
That list is a load of horseapples.
OilyPablo
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PLEASE CHANGE the THREAD TITLE
Really this means a list of the highest qty guns Buds has in stock, that they have sold more than one.
It's just a we want to move these list.....
Really people on THR actually thought this was the #1 selling gun? Really??
Really this means a list of the highest qty guns Buds has in stock, that they have sold more than one.
It's just a we want to move these list.....
Really people on THR actually thought this was the #1 selling gun? Really??
Sam1911
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Fine. Edited title.
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hemiram
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I can see why Bud's sells a lot of AKs. I haven't bought one myself yet, but I've seen a lot of the real cheap ones chew through a ton of rounds, and they seem to be a little bit more reliable than the cheap ARs are. Probably not nearly as accurate, but accurate enough.
MICHAEL T
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Really here the list
Pistol Production By U.S. Manufacturers 2010
lets look at Ruger Glock and Colt
Sturm, Ruger & Co.
473,479 total
Glock
31,395 total
Colt
29,331 total
I think glock got creamed. This just pistols
Fishslayer
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Didn't think that at all. I was under the impression that that was what Buds reported as #1.
Like I said.... "Horseapples."
OilyPablo
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Some people clearly did, I certainly did NOT mean all, or everybody. Not a big deal in scheme of things. Approach Bud's with caution. Too many people I know in real life did NOT get the gun they clearly expected from Bud's.
You guys need to look at how this list was put together. First it was gun manufacturers, not particular guns. And how many different companies make AR's? A whole bunch. There are some very interesting things here. Ruger is a big name in US gun making. They have been for a long time. The 10/22 alone accounts for a lot of sales. But the LCP has been incredibly successful. If you want to know why that it is go look at one and think who it's being sold to - women. It's a huge, open market and people know that Ruger has made very good pistols for a very long time. Not only that but even guys like me who took my daughter and my wife to the gun stores and I came home with a S&W and an LCP. It would have been two LCP's but the first time I went the LCP's were so stiff to operate my daughter could not rack the slide. I took my wife and looked at the very same gun and the LGS had figured out they needed to make it work so they had worked the slide a bunch and put way too much oil on it. That's ok though. I knew I could clean the oil back off and the gun would work well after being broke in well. And it has. The truth is we would have bought 2 LCP's if not for the stiffness issue. And my daughter is no weakling either. She looked at Sigs, Glocks, and Rugers mostly and the Ruger was clearly the gun for her. But because of the problem with the slide she ended up with a S&W. The LCP is very small and very light so it doesn't make for having to carry around a brick in your purse. Women really like that and again a whole lot of women are buying handguns now.
I'm not a Ruger guy as far as being a die hard 10/22 guy or whatever but they have made a lot of really, really good handguns from the Black Hawks down to the LCP's and the MkII's. They've made a lot of good rifles too but this one will kill the Ruger guys - Ruger rifles were outsold by Marlin by a good size margin. That means a lot more Marlin 60's were sold than 10/22's because Marlin just doesn't sell that many other rifles besides rimfires. Yes they make some fine rifles but Ruger has the Number One that has made a comeback. But we're talking a much smaller market segment there. I'm really surprised that Savage wasn't in that list somewhere. That's what convinced me that the story was about the `10/22 vs. the 60 and once again the 60 won despite the people who swear that Ruger outsells Marlin now. They don't.
I'm not going by Bud's stats here. I'm going by the Shooting Industry Magazine article stats. That rules out all the issues with Buds inventory and marketing. It's the total number of US sales. That's a great article there and should settle a whole bunch of arguments.
As for Glocks people seem to forget that the biggest segment for those pistols would be police departments and they filled their orders for Glocks a long time ago. But I would guess they never sold more than Ruger. The MkII and MkIII and the original MkI (not the real name) have always been huge sellers and for good reason. People buy a lot more .22's than they do centerfires. And Glock has a whole lot of competition for the SD market compared to how Ruger dominates the handgun market. Between the Mk's and the magnums they sell no one can come close to selling the number they sell except for Smith and Wesson as far as sales in the US goes. People have been buying those guns for generations and a lot of people never did buy into the whole plastic gun thing. We're all gun nuts around here and we don't even think in those terms for the most part. But take my brother for an example. He has 5 or 6 handguns. They're all S&W revolvers in either .357 or .44 mag.. He buys them because our dad bought them. Brand loyalty goes a very long way and he wouldn't even consider buying a Glock and probably doesn't even know what a Sig is. He may have heard of them but you can bet he doesn't know the story of the P210 or the P220 and I have a P220 that I've taken out shooting with my brother. He knows I have a great shooting pistol but I'd bet a dollar he couldn't tell you what it is. And he has maybe 25-30 guns total. He's owned a lot more than that over the years but they have pretty much all been US made guns like Winchester, Remington, Ruger, Smith, Browning, Savage and Marlin. Those are the brands he knows. No Glocks. No Sigs or HK's.
Personally I want to see a super strong US gun manufacturing base. What happens if we go to war with the countries that make our Berettas and our Glocks and Sigs? We did just that not too long ago. Can you imagine going to Hitler for parts for our Sigs and HK's or Musollini for Beretta parts? Sure we make the B3qqerettas here in the US but I still want the US companies to do well. I think most of us do and that includes Browning which really hasn't been a US company for a long time.
I have a friend I shoot with a lot. He owns a lot of guns too. They're all Rugers and Brownings when it comes to handguns. He doesn't even own any S&W's. He also owns Ruger rifles and Winchester and Remington. He's gotten into CZ's and other Euro guns mainly because I told him how great they are. But he would have still been buying all US guns if I hadn't mentioned the CZ's especially.
Take a look at the gun maker list in the US Firearm Industry story. Those guys are telling you the whole story almost. There's no slanted coverage in that story. And then go look at the light, ergonomic, reliable, accurate LCP's and you'll know why people are buying them for their wives in huge numbers. Us guys have our guns already for the most part. Many bought them after the last election. I bought stuff before the last election and I'm doing the same now because we may not be able to get them after the election. And I'm arming the women in my family too because they want to be armed. And Ruger is the best choice I've seen for a purse pistol. That's just how it is. And Smith makes some good ones too. Glock really hasn't embraced that market to be honest. Neither my wife or my daughter got interested in any Glock I showed them. I didn't put them down either. They're fine guns. My wife and daughter just didn't like them because of thier size an weight. Then see if you can find a Glock like that. There are none that I've seen in the gun shops.
I'm not a Ruger guy as far as being a die hard 10/22 guy or whatever but they have made a lot of really, really good handguns from the Black Hawks down to the LCP's and the MkII's. They've made a lot of good rifles too but this one will kill the Ruger guys - Ruger rifles were outsold by Marlin by a good size margin. That means a lot more Marlin 60's were sold than 10/22's because Marlin just doesn't sell that many other rifles besides rimfires. Yes they make some fine rifles but Ruger has the Number One that has made a comeback. But we're talking a much smaller market segment there. I'm really surprised that Savage wasn't in that list somewhere. That's what convinced me that the story was about the `10/22 vs. the 60 and once again the 60 won despite the people who swear that Ruger outsells Marlin now. They don't.
I'm not going by Bud's stats here. I'm going by the Shooting Industry Magazine article stats. That rules out all the issues with Buds inventory and marketing. It's the total number of US sales. That's a great article there and should settle a whole bunch of arguments.
As for Glocks people seem to forget that the biggest segment for those pistols would be police departments and they filled their orders for Glocks a long time ago. But I would guess they never sold more than Ruger. The MkII and MkIII and the original MkI (not the real name) have always been huge sellers and for good reason. People buy a lot more .22's than they do centerfires. And Glock has a whole lot of competition for the SD market compared to how Ruger dominates the handgun market. Between the Mk's and the magnums they sell no one can come close to selling the number they sell except for Smith and Wesson as far as sales in the US goes. People have been buying those guns for generations and a lot of people never did buy into the whole plastic gun thing. We're all gun nuts around here and we don't even think in those terms for the most part. But take my brother for an example. He has 5 or 6 handguns. They're all S&W revolvers in either .357 or .44 mag.. He buys them because our dad bought them. Brand loyalty goes a very long way and he wouldn't even consider buying a Glock and probably doesn't even know what a Sig is. He may have heard of them but you can bet he doesn't know the story of the P210 or the P220 and I have a P220 that I've taken out shooting with my brother. He knows I have a great shooting pistol but I'd bet a dollar he couldn't tell you what it is. And he has maybe 25-30 guns total. He's owned a lot more than that over the years but they have pretty much all been US made guns like Winchester, Remington, Ruger, Smith, Browning, Savage and Marlin. Those are the brands he knows. No Glocks. No Sigs or HK's.
Personally I want to see a super strong US gun manufacturing base. What happens if we go to war with the countries that make our Berettas and our Glocks and Sigs? We did just that not too long ago. Can you imagine going to Hitler for parts for our Sigs and HK's or Musollini for Beretta parts? Sure we make the B3qqerettas here in the US but I still want the US companies to do well. I think most of us do and that includes Browning which really hasn't been a US company for a long time.
I have a friend I shoot with a lot. He owns a lot of guns too. They're all Rugers and Brownings when it comes to handguns. He doesn't even own any S&W's. He also owns Ruger rifles and Winchester and Remington. He's gotten into CZ's and other Euro guns mainly because I told him how great they are. But he would have still been buying all US guns if I hadn't mentioned the CZ's especially.
Take a look at the gun maker list in the US Firearm Industry story. Those guys are telling you the whole story almost. There's no slanted coverage in that story. And then go look at the light, ergonomic, reliable, accurate LCP's and you'll know why people are buying them for their wives in huge numbers. Us guys have our guns already for the most part. Many bought them after the last election. I bought stuff before the last election and I'm doing the same now because we may not be able to get them after the election. And I'm arming the women in my family too because they want to be armed. And Ruger is the best choice I've seen for a purse pistol. That's just how it is. And Smith makes some good ones too. Glock really hasn't embraced that market to be honest. Neither my wife or my daughter got interested in any Glock I showed them. I didn't put them down either. They're fine guns. My wife and daughter just didn't like them because of thier size an weight. Then see if you can find a Glock like that. There are none that I've seen in the gun shops.
wow6599
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I bought one of the M10 762 AK type rifle. They are a solid value at the $499 I paid Bud's for it, but one day they decided to raise them to $599 and I'm guessing the sales slowed down. IIRC they are $589 right now. Fun gun..... for zombies and such
huntsman
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most ladies can't rack like a man and there's some good web-sites that show women how to do it.
It’s about technique not strength.
Caliper_Mi
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Maybe, but there are also many more AR manufacturers than AK importers. If the numbers for all AR's vs all AK's were added up, I'm sure the gap would close. Not sure by how much. Personally, I see more AR's than AK's at my club, but that could just be here.
atblis
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Last time I checked, Glock was an Austrian company.
I believe they do manufacture pistols here in the US though.
Is the list by production location or by nationality of company headquarters?
atblis
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They list separately US manufacturing by company, and imports by country. 431k handguns were imported from Austria in 2010.
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