transfer a non-Cali approved rifle to a Cali FFL

[sernv99]

got a question: I am selling a non-CA compliant semi-auto rifle. A buyer in Cali wants to buy it and said I can ship it to his FFL in CA and he will take care of the Cali required conversions (bullet button, fixed mag, etc.) before doing the transfer paperwork.

if I were to send it to the FFL in Cali, am I clear of breaking any law? I told the potential buyer, if your FFL ends up refusing my rifle, you need to work out something with him, I wont accept a return if he ends up refusing the rifle.

FYI: the sale has not been finalized yet....

 

[SaxonPig]

CA FFLs can buy and keep prohibited guns. Up to him to make a legal transfer to the buyer. I don't see where you are doing anything wrong in sending the gun to the FFL.

 

[Zoogster]

Only a CA FFL that is licensed to deal with "Assault Weapons" can.
Most CA FFLs are not.
That is the only possible conflict I can see on your part.

If imported into California as an "Assault Weapon" it may be more difficult for the FFL to sell or transfer it to the individual as a non-assault weapon.


The firearm also needs to only be non compliant by features for the possibility of making it legal. If it is listed by name as an "assault weapon" on one of the lists then it is always one, no matter what features are altered.

 

[russ69]

Some more details would be helpful. what gun are we talking about. Some guns are OK, some need modifying and some are illegal. More info please.

Thanx, Russ

SaxonPig,
Not all FFL dealers have assault weapon permits, they can't all have AWs.

 

[Bubbles]

Get the contact info for the buyer's FFL, tell him what rifle you want to transfer, and ask him how to proceed. A CA FFL in many cases can take in a non-compliant rifle, install the part(s), such as a bullet button, required to make it compliant, and then legally sell it to a CA resident.

Also don't forget to register with the CA DoJ and print out the "permission slip" if you are an FFL.

 

[sernv99]

it is an LMT rifle....I'm not shipping any mags to the FFL, just the rifle....I'm from VA so my rifle is a "free state" rifle lol

 

[mbogo]

I don't see how you, as a private party and non-FFL dealer, have any liability whatsoever. The rifle is legal in your state; if the FFL (who is supposed to obey Federal and state laws) accepts it, the deal is done.

mbogo

 

[sansone]

If you are an FFL you can NOT ship that rifle to CA without making the changes first. Also an FFL must get prior approval from the CA Dept of Justice to ship ANY gun there. This is why many Dealers have just "cut-off" any sales to CA.. It's not a free state by any stretch. Nancy P is among many just like her

 

[sernv99]

i am a private party....no FFL here

 

[russ69]

You just need to add a bullet button. If he has a good FFL, no problem. Here's a link to what's legal: http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

Thanx, Russ

 

[sansone]

private party much easier and less threat of legal action. Remember: no adj stock, no threads on brrl, no removabl magazine, 10rd limit.. pretty much everything we love about AR's is illegal there. The receiving FFL will take most of the responsibility by the nature of his legal position

 

[You-Two]

private party much easier and less threat of legal action. Remember: no adj stock, no threads on brrl, no removabl magazine, 10rd limit.. pretty much everything we love about AR's is illegal there. The receiving FFL will take most of the responsibility by the nature of his legal position

Actually...with a bullet button magazine lock you can have all those features no problem. Just no mags >10rds or detachable mags in these rifles. If you go "featureless" like you are saying, then you can run standard mags if you owned them before 2000.

Personally...if this was my sale and I wanted to feel more comfortable with it, I would ask the buyer to send the bullet button with the payment and install it myself before shipping. That way there is no question about it. May take a few extra days, but for your own peace of mind and the buyer is going to be buying the bullet button anyways. Assuming this is a standard LMT AR type rifle that is an "assault weapon" by features as listed in the flowchart above.

I didn't think you could send an AW to a non-AW FFL in CA. If you put in the bullet button it is no longer an AW...like magic.

 

[docpadds]

If you are an FFL you can NOT ship that rifle to CA without making the changes first.

Its not unusual for dealers in CA to be licensed to receive an "assault weapon" per their law and convert it to CA compliant. When we sell rifles to CA or act as a middleman for the service, about 25% of the dealers are prepared to receive it in non-complaint form and fit the bullet button themselves for the customer, the rest dont so we do it.

 

[AirForceShooter]

Pass on it.
Wayyyy too many problems

AFS

 

[NavyLCDR]

Pass on it.
Wayyyy too many problems

AFS

Why? It's no different then sending the rifle to any other FFL in any other state for a private party. It's not like the California goon squad can reach into the OP's state and snatch him and toss him into a California prison never to see the light of day again. California law applies ONLY to those persons residing in California at the time!

Just send the rifle to the FFL who is willing to accept it and be done with it!