Wisconsin FFL Transfer Problem

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The latest is that the FFL sender requested a "delivery intercept" on this one, so its being redirected back to him in WI. I don't want anything to do with this hot potato. But, if it DOES somehow end up on my doorstep, I will be calling the AFT on my own "delivery intercept."
 
sig228 said:
The latest is that the FFL sender requested a "delivery intercept" on this one, so its being redirected back to him in WI. I don't want anything to do with this hot potato. But, if it DOES somehow end up on my doorstep, I will be calling the AFT on my own "delivery intercept."
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That'll probably get his attention.
 
sig228 said:
The latest is that the FFL sender requested a "delivery intercept" on this one, so its being redirected back to him in WI. I don't want anything to do with this hot potato. But, if it DOES somehow end up on my doorstep, I will be calling the AFT on my own "delivery intercept."
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He must have read this thread and discovered how much crap he was in...

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I sent a link to the buyer. He might have sent it to the FFL. I feel bad for the buyer, he seems like a genuinely nice guy who simply chose a not so good FFL.
 
I sent a link to the buyer. He might have sent it to the FFL. I feel bad for the buyer, he seems like a genuinely nice guy who simply chose a not so good FFL.
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In case he is reading this thread, I'll extend the invitation for him to sign up at http://www.FFLOnly.com/, a discussion board whose members are all FFL's in the business. We answer a lot of "Is it ok if..." type questions.
 
OK, so buyer chose the FFL, but forgot to tell the FFL pistol was on the way?


You know, depending on zoning of the FFL, and possible limits the ATF may have on their property, it's possible the FFL just does not want the transaction.

...or, perhaps the FFL knows the buyer is not legal for a transaction.


It's not always as cut and dry as you think.
 
That's right, and in some cases they can limit the number of annual transactions that take place there, but that's neither here nor there-if the FFL was not notified that business was coming his way and he did not want it, how do you MAKE him/her do the transfer?
 
jackpinesavages That's right, and in some cases they can limit the number of annual transactions that take place there,
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You are terribly mistaken.
ATF doesn't limit the number of transactions.

Someone (who is not a FFL) is feeding you junk.
 
I sent a Colt back to Hartford to have some work done on it and I sent it [UPS $70] directly to Colt, and in time they returned the gun and it was delivered to my door. I'm not a FFL holder, just a citizen but it seems that if you need "repairs" you have more flexibility.
 
jackpinesavages said:
.......... but that's neither here nor there-if the FFL was not notified that business was coming his way and he did not want it, how do you MAKE him/her do the transfer?
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The FFL WAS notified. And until he received the gun and opened the package, he didn't indicate anything unusual to me. Once he saw the only thing I sent (even though I was not required to) was my drivers license and concealed weapons license, then didn't want to complete the transfer.

Certainly, its his prerogative to only deal with FFL's. But, it was HIS mistake in not asking me first if I was an FFL.

Like a few others said here, once the package was sent, its not my deal anymore.

Yesterday, I actually called the Milwaukee ATF and spoke to an agent who confirmed that the FFL is not precluded from doing the transfer. I sent the FFL the agent's name and phone number.

So, if the FFL CONTINUES this BS story about the ATF prohibiting this transfer and still wants to send the gun back to me (correctly now to my FFL).....I will absolutely refuse unless he lets me speak to HIS ATF contact who is telling him otherwise.

Good news is that the package was successfully intercepted and is being send back to the FFL and it will get there on Monday.

Bad news is that the poor buyer wont be taking his new gun to the range this weekend.
 
By the close of business Tuesday this will all be a moot point. The FFL has until the close of the following business day to log into their bound book any firearms they receive, including who they received them from. If the FFL gets the gun on Monday, and it isn't logged into his bound book by close of business on Tuesday, the FFL has violated YET ANOTHER Federal regulation.

It would be interesting to see what is in the FFLs bound book for the first transaction where he violated Federal regulations by sending the gun back to you. He either violated Federal regulations by not entering the transaction or by falsifying his book or he officially recorded his violation on record.

This FFL in question really needs to have his license suspended until he can be properly trained.
 
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By the close of business Tuesday this will all be a moot point. The FFL has until the close of the following business day to log into their bound book any firearms they receive, including who they received them from....
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I'm just dealing with a bunch of nitwit FFL's. This is good to know, since the last gun that I ordered from Davidson's sat at my FFL for a week (time between the FEDEX delivery record and when they called me). Their excuse: they get a lot of guns in and need time to correctly put everything in the book.

I actually showed up a few hours after the FEDEX delivery and they basically told me too bad, we will call you when we are ready. :(
 
Need time to put everything in the book correctly sounds like another BS meaning lazy.

I had to switch my FFL because he wouldn't take transfers from private individuals. I received 18 transfers so far this year and at $25 per transfer he was charging, he lost money just taking in the delivery and taking 30 seconds to write down the model and serial number.

My new FFL has been great and uses modern technology for all communications with me. $15 per transfer and easy to deal with.

Is there some risk to the FFL for taking private transfers? Only thing I can think of is stolen firears, but even if the firearm is stolen, how would they be held responsible?
 
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Is there some risk to the FFL for taking private transfers?
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It makes it harder for the FFL to dispose of the gun if the deal goes sour. Let's say buyer fails the NICS check. If the seller is a private party, the FFL now has a gun he can't transfer to anybody. He can't transfer it to the buyer and he can't send it back to the seller.

If he doesn't get cooperation from somebody, he has to wait until the state law allows him to claim the firearm as abandoned property, then he can sell it.
 
It makes it harder for the FFL to dispose of the gun if the deal goes sour. Let's say buyer fails the NICS check. If the seller is a private party, the FFL now has a gun he can't transfer to anybody. He can't transfer it to the buyer and he can't send it back to the seller.
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Several things can happen in that situation:
- We keep the gun until the buyer successfully appeals the denial,
- The buyer arranges with the seller to get his money back, and we get paid to ship the gun back to the seller's FFL, or
- The buyer consigns the gun with us. We sell it and take out our consignment fee.

Obviously we absolutely will not transfer the gun to the buyer's wife, sister, brother, girlfriend, coworker, etc.
 
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