True or False: .45acp or 10mm For HD

[WrongHanded]

Highly likely to recur....

To someone who's already experienced it, and found it effects them in such a way? Yes, I'd say so.

But that does not mean it will happen to everyone, or even most people. I know for a fact that it doesn't happen to me. I'm sure there are many who've served in the military and had to shoot service rifles indoors without hearing protection, and suffered no immediately detrimental or compromising effects.

Every time you speak on this matter, you reinforce a false narrative that the percussion of powerful cartridges will cripple the shooter if discharged indoors. And there's nothing but an occasional anecdote to back up such a claim. And I'm sure plenty of anecdotes to contradict it too.

 

[Kleanbore]

....that does not mean it will happen to everyone, or even most people....Every time you speak on this matter, you reinforce a false narrative that the percussion of powerful cartridges will cripple the shooter if discharged indoors

Your assertions are vey much ill-founded.

Forget "indoors". My permanent noise-induced hearing loss resulted from shooting rifles outdoors without hearing protection.

More common cases among the general population include loud music and exposure to jack hammers, drop hammers, saws, agricultural and construction equipment, lawn mowers, jet engines, racing engines.... The physics is the same.

Effects of exposure vary, but here is no one who is immune from the effects.

Audiologists have compiled volumes of data that are routinely used by industrial designers, occupational safety specialists, and expert witnesses in insurance company damage assessment, and so on.

This is not internet stutf. I happen to know what I am talking about.

 

[WrongHanded]

Your assertions are vey much ill-founded.

Forget "indoors". My permanent noise-induced hearing loss resulted from shooting rifles outdoors without hearing protection.

More common cases among the general population include loud music and exposure to jack hammers, drop hammers, saws, agricultural and construction equipment, lawn mowers, jet engines, racing engines.... The physics is the same.

Effects of exposure vary, but here is no one who is immune from the effects.

Audiologists have compiled volumes of data that are routinely used by industrial designers, occupational safety specialists, and expert witnesses in insurance company damage assessment, and so on.

This is not internet stutf. I happen to know what I am talking about.

Nice pivot. But irrelevant.

 

[Kleanbore]

Nice pivot. But irrelevant.

How so? The physics is the same, and the facts do apply and objectively substantiate the conclusions.

 

[WrongHanded]

How so? The physics is the same, and the facts do apply and objectively substantiate the conclusions.

Because now you're talking about permanent hearing loss, not temporary loss that would result in an immediate inability to communicate directly following a shooting.

The seriousness of permanent noise-induced hearing loss would likely not vary with the kind of shooting.

But the impairment of one's ability to communicate immediately afterward could become extremely serious in a defensive shooting, indoors or out.

The two are not one and the same. And you know that perfectly well.

 

[Kleanbore]

The two are not one and the same. And you know that perfectly well

The characteristics of the sound pressure curve impinging on the eardrum will of course be different if walls reflect the wave.

 

[WrongHanded]

The characteristics of the sound pressure curve impinging on the eardrum will of course be different if walls reflect the wave.

I know. I've done it. With a magnum cartridge at magnum velocities. And I suffered no immediate or severe hearing issues. Nor any fainting, dizziness, vertigo, or anything else.

So unless my case is an anomaly, and you have some abundance of data to prove this "issue" is common, perhaps it would be better if it were no longer presented as if it were fact, or particularly likely.

 

[Kleanbore]

I know. I've done it. With a magnum cartridge at magnum velocities. And I suffered ...hearing issues that I noticed.

Fixed it for you.

This happens to be a subject in which I have some experience and expertise.

It is evident that you do not.

 

[WrongHanded]

Fixed it for you.

You fixed nothing. Read it again.

[QUOTE="WrongHanded, post: 12379272, member: 245922"And I suffered no immediate or severe hearing issues.[/QUOTE]

I never said I suffered no hearing loss whatsoever. I'm absolutely certain I did. But I also remember how life was before it happened, and any difference is not severe because I cannot tell the difference.

There was also no immediate and obvious loss or reduction of hearing that would have negatively effected my ability to fight. Which is another one of those false claims about magnum cartridges indoors. It's clearly not true for me. And I was able to carry on a conversation immediately afterwards.

I know you think you're some kind of expert here. If you are you'll have no problem proving your assertions about the "dangers of magnum cartridges in hallways!" with data.

 

[Kleanbore]

That's enough here.