Trying to Like My Sigma...

[Olympus]

My favorite guns are the ones that didn't NEED special work for me to like them.

Mine too. If I have to take a gun to a gunsmith and spend additional money making it as good as others I own straight from the factory, something just doesn't add up to me.

Maybe I need to talk this over with the wife and she how she feels about it. She enjoys shooting as well, but not nearly as much as me. She shot it and immediately hated it also. If she is okay with selling or trading then maybe it's worth a discussion with the FIL to see what his feelings are. I definitely don't want to step on toes or hurt feelings.

My opinion is that if I gift something to someone, it's their's to do with as they please. If I have at attach strings, then it's not worth giving. And maybe there are no strings attached to this deal and I'm just making a big deal out of nothing. But I'd rather play it safe and check first rather than immediately selling or trading the gun. And I don't want to seem ungrateful for the gift.

 

[mlk18]

I am also betting your favorite guns don't sell for around $250 with the rebate. Like I said, never sent mine in to any shop just did some polishing at home. Didn't cost me a dime but it made my sub-$250 SW9E perform as well as my $450 Glock 19.

The other missing factor is that this gun was a gift from a relative, correct? I have 3-4 pistols that sit in the safe for that very reason. And they will just continue to sit there with only infrequent day-passes to the range. There's nothing wrong with having a few safe queens (or safe paupers).

 

[basicblur]

I haven't seen any responses about whether other people's guns have the same "washboard" feel when pulling through the trigger stroke. I'm being 100% honest, I can feel 4 distinct "bumps" throughout the complete trigger stroke.

OK-I couldn't stand it any longer-I had to go try my current bed gun (Sigma) with my planned replacement (SP2022).
I do notice some 'gritiness' at the very beginning of the trigger pull, but nothing after, and you have to pull the trigger awfully sloooooooowly to feel it. When I use my normal trigger pull, I don't really notice anything, but my normal trigger pull is a controlled slap (practice like I think I'll have to use it).
I'm sure it would probably smooth out with use, but for it's intended purpose I don't even notice it.

My SP2022 in DA is smoother, but longer and heavier in DA.
If I use my normal trigger stroke on both, there's really little difference.

Mebbe it has something to do with hand strength? A lifetime of tennis and working with hand tools for a living probably? mean I have more hand strength than average?

Anywho-there is no way you should not be able to hit a man sized target at 7 yards with a Sigma-I shoot it 'bout as well as my HKs, SIGs, 1911s, etc.

 

[fastbolt]

Word is that if you call S&W and tell them your Sigma trigger is "rough and gritty" they will send you a shipping label to send it in for a trigger job of some sort.

This is the first thing I'd try.

I'd avoid attempting any kitchen table/internet recommended modifications or fiddling.

 

[Olympus]

If I did end up selling it, does anyone have bookmarks on any threads for sub-$450 9mms that I could peruse for some other options?

 

[Marshall]

How about a new 4" Springfield XD-9 with two 16 Round mags at Buds for $463.00, shipped free.

I have the same gun in .40 S&W and love it.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_24/products_id/13342

 

[Olympus]

I'd rather go with a non-polymer frame. Steel, aluminum, or alloy.

 

[Yarddog]

They are a CC Gun, They go bang & hit what your shooting at. What more you want for $300 & (4) Mags ; )
Y/D

 

[Olympus]

I've got plenty of CC guns. And I like all of my others a lot more than the Sigma.

 

[doc540]

$299 again at Academy Sports

not sure about the $50 S&W rebate, though

With S&W's free trigger work, it's the best $250, high-cap, semi I've ever owned.

 

[rellascout]

If I did end up selling it, does anyone have bookmarks on any threads for sub-$450 9mms that I could peruse for some other options?

FNP-9 $400
Sig Sp2022 $425
Used Israeli Hi Powers $375 to $450
Sig P250 $350 (I personally do not recommend it but YMMV)
RIA 1911 Tactical 9mm $429
Ruger P95 $300
Stoeger Cougar 9mm $375
Used Sig P6 $300

 

[FruitCake]

Any striker fired semi auto feels like crap to me compared to a 1911 style gun with a hammer even with a trigger job. My friends Sigma with a trigger job feels the same as my G17.

 

[Olympus]

Thanks for the suggestions rellascout!

 

[kmrcstintn]

I'm not sure where I remember seeing the information, but there was mention of a certified gunsmith that was doing trigger jobs/modifcations on the Sigma series that wouldn't void the factory warranty...I'll be darned if I can remember the guy's name/contact info...

FOUND IT!!! smith & wesson forum site...here's the info:

"LSG Manufacturing
10059 Hwy 1476
Comanche, TX 76442
(325) 885-2700
[email protected]
www.lsgmfg.com

Scott

P.S. This is on the back page of your owner's manual."

 

[Guy de Loimbard]

Learn how to shoot it (apparently no one learns on DA revolvers these days)-once you do, don't be surprised to find you'll shoot everything better.

If I had a DA revolver with a trigger like a stock sigma, I would send it in for work. Even the DA on a P64 is nicer than the sigma. My dad bought a sigma, then sent it to S&W for trigger work. It is a bit better now, you shouldn't have to buy a gun and have it worked on to get a decent trigger.

 

[19&41]

Does your FIL have a Sigma? If not, you might invite him out to shoot it with you, THEN discuss your trading it for a more desirable pistol.

 

[Sauer Grapes]

I shot a Sigma this summer. I heard they had tough triggers, boy they were right. After a couple mags, I managed to shoot some pretty good groups with it. I've shot a lot of DA revolvers though.

The young lady that owned it, couldn't hit the target board. She thought it was broken....

 

[Dnaltrop]

Wife's Sigma is a straight shooter, but someone needs to tell SW to stop assembling them outside during sandstorms.

The ergonomics fit her, the heavy trigger pull attracted her. I might call for that shipping label myself. I shoot her gun often enough to be annoyed by the grit, and it isn't smoothing out with use enough for my taste.

 

[Sauer Grapes]

I would add the S&W 5906 to the list of canidates. I haven't shot one, but guys seem to like them.
+1 on the RIA 1911 tactical! They aint pretty, but they run pretty well and the triggers are real nice.

 

[Onward Allusion]

This is my philosophy... If you learn to shoot a Sigma, you can shoot pretty much any handgun decently. The trigger on a Sigma are TOUGH to master. Seriously, it took me 2 years shooting them almost every week to get good with them. When I first got my Sigma I was going to sell it after a few trips to the range. I'm now better with them now as well as anything that requires double action. When I shoot traditional SA/DA I'm now hitting 1" groupings out to about 12 yards. With DAO semi and revolver I'm now hitting 1 to 2" out to 12 yards. All that took practice. I now have several Sigmas for various purposes.

If you want to master heavy DAO triggers, mount a laser on the weapon if you can and then practice dry fire. The bottom line is that it isn't the trigger. It's the trigger finger and shooter's grip.

Olympus
Trying to Like My Sigma...

 

[Onward Allusion]

brandon_mcg
<SNIP>
not to hijack the thread but anyways:
has anyone ever sold theirs or traded it in? if so how much was it worth?

They are not worth much used. Fortunately for me, I've learned to shoot them and have gotten a few of them for about $175 to $200 in barely used condition. Usually, they're being sold by folks who never wanted to or had to the time to master the heavy DAO trigger. Some might wonder why the heck would someone buy a few of them... Well they make for great Bug Out pack additions.

 

[brandon_mcg]

that's what i figured. as i mentioned before, i enjoy mine and i'm glad that it was my first pistol as it forced me to learn the mechanics of the trigger pull. now that i have a sa 1911 i can focus on further improving my skills.

 

[rellascout]

If you want to learn trigger control get a 22LR revolver. Telling someone to keep shooting 40 S&W out of a sigma to learn trigger control is absurd IMHO. It is cost prohibitive.

Sell the gun if you are not happy with it. Life is too short to waste on a gun you don't like. YMMV

 

[RC20]

I owned DA revolvers since I could buy my first gun, and my dad had one that we shot growing up.

We NEVER shot it DA. Cocked it and shot it SA. Yes you could if you had to, but never did.

Why? DA is a good way to miss. Vast majority of encounters are about shot placement, you will not get it DA.

And yes I can back that up. I shot our Trooper course once, no practice, just this is how its done, had to figure out the rounds, the speed loader as well as the points you could reload, where to carry the ammo for access.

I out shot 17 out of 20 instructors, and ALL students. Why? Because I did it in single action. I was well within all the time lines, never rushed. Why, because I planned it, and I shot it calmly.

Me, I say take the DA semi autos and pitch em. 1911 is best, but the DA/SA you can carry in condition one is the next best. Get one or the other.

Its all about practice with a GOOD gun.

 

[brandon_mcg]

" i enjoy mine and i'm glad that it was my first pistol. "

and they do make the sigma in 9mm which is what MINE is.

Ive never had much luck shooting a 22 pistol as there is no carry over to the larger calibers as i know that the 22 is not going to have any recoil. so i'd rather shoot the larger calibers and work on my fundamentals than with a .22 that has no carry over for me.