(TX) Police: Teens with high-powered weapons on rise

[Mot45acp]

wal mart

I never actually heard a rapper SING. Of course, the only exposure I get to it is the boom box cars at the car wash next door, and usually all I can hear is the base rattling my windows. I've often thought about capping boom boxes.

Times sure change. When I was a young teen in the late sixties I had a Honda CT90, sort of the jeep of small motorcycles. It was a great trail bike and since I was into hunting, it was so cool with it's low/high range transfer box, knobbed tires. Heck, just jump off and ride across the fields!

I got into waterfowl hunting when I was about 14. In metal shop in 8th grade, I built a gun rack for the forks, would go get my bike with permission of the teacher and wheel it up in the shop to take measurements. When that was done, I no longer had to sling my shotgun. I'd strap my shotgun on the gun rack, my decoy bag on the rear rack. Camoed up I'd ride through a nearby small town to get to the marsh where I hunted. Picture a 14 year old kid, 4:30 am, riding though town on a motorcycle with a shotgun on the rack. I'd often meet police officers sitting and watching. They'd wave and I'd wave back. Nobody ever though anything was strange about the picture, kid going hunting, no biggy.

I remember getting in trouble with my mom because every time I'd go to the store to get her a gallon of milk and put it on the charge account, I'd pick up a box of .22 lr. She got the bill and there was nearly brick on there at 50 cents a box. Now days, a kid can't buy his own ammo at Walmart and they ask you "Is this for a rifle or handgun." I think I'll answer, "Neither, I'm using it in a machine gun" next time they ask.

What changed society was the 60s, unfortunately. Morality went the way of chivalry and the new ethos of "if it feels good, do it" took the place of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I don't know if there is a way to reverse it all at this point. It's out of hand, made it to nightly TV. You can't see a sitcom on TV that doesn't have something sexual, perverse actually, every third word. Immorality is ingrained in our society now thanks to the hippy generation and hollywood.

I bought some 9mm from wal mart was asked the same question.
My reply : "Niether its for my shot gun."
Clerks reply : " Oh Okay."

 

[Spiggy]

Of course, I didn't go spend the money on a gun off the street. I bought a guitar.

Nothing more dangerous than an untrained teen with a guitar!

When I was 13, I bought 1 case(case, not box) of pokemon cards, hit the schools and made $200 in one short month, in three months, i amassed $700, which was later spent on buying a kickass computer

EDIT: What did I learn from that experience?: Absolutely nothing

 

[jeremywills]

I saw this today and it reminded me of this thread

http://www.fulton-armory.com/MomsGun.htm

If it were only 1960 again

If my mom were to try and do something like this today I can just see the Headlines now

 

[Brandon223]

High Power

I'm 16 and own more guns than most 40 year olds and I highly doubt that I am a gang banger who's going to shoot it out with police. Every "gangsta's" gun that I've seen has been an utter piece of garbage.

Let's recall some examples:

- my friend's next-door neighbor was talking to his friends about guns and said "I got my Sh*t right here" and pulled out a Lorcin/Raven junker .25 auto with no finish, safety lever, or bullets.

- another time this 27 year old "gangsta" who trys to impress teenagers with his "cool" High-Points was showing me his new horrible zinc contraption he called a "defence weapon" answered my "how much did that cost?" question with the statement "you ain't never seen so much money". I had a good laugh at that one too. Oh an this guy also claims that he has a Steyr AUG (I showed him a picture of one) chambered for its standard caliber, the .44 Magnum :banghead:

These people who pretend that they're Scarface gangbangers are both funny and annoying at the same time. But their "gats" don't compare to...

my high-capacity polymer terrorist pistol: XD40

or

my low recoil armor piercing handgun: CZ52

or

my "low noise" assault rifle of death that shoots armor piercing, baby seeking bullets: AR-7 Sporter w/ barrel shroud, pistol grip, and collapsable stock

 

[solareclipse]

cops have guns, why can't everyone else? personally i am worried when a cop carries around in an area i am prohibited to.

personally i feel guns teach kids responsibility. We are trying to separate teh future generations from everything to the point they are completely handicapped in life.

 

[jtward01]

Hey, I specifically said I didn't believe new gun control laws aren't the answer. More meaningful sentences are certainly a step in the right direction, as is parental involvement, where possible, but what else? Is there anything else we, as a society, can do?

 

[odysseus]

My grandfather was from Texas. His first gun was a "high-powered" weapon, err.. a hunting rifle. That was a long time ago. I am sure it would go through a IIIa vest these days too. What's the point again?

These are all silly stuff for the misguided. And they're coming to a store near you.

 

[TechBrute]

I work in Oak Cliff, the "black, high-crime area" (there, I said it.) There are plenty of hard working folks that live in that area, but there are a disproportionate number of slimeballs that need to be put down, too. Factor in that the Dallas PD is one of the most poorly run in the nation (on the upturn with the new chief, hopefully), then you can see why this type of news report is seen time and time again in our area. Based on watching our local news, there is at least one shooting EVERY DAY in this area.

 

[chopinbloc]

Any other ideas?

well yes, actually but i'd like to preface it by saying that i think a large part of the "problem" is simply our perception that the world is worse today because of better and faster communication.

1. legalize all drugs and release all prisoners who have been imprisoned on only drug charges.

2. disband the dea and use the money to pay for border security, drug treatment and HONEST drug awareness in school.

3. attach a death penalty to violent rape, sexual assault and child molestation.

4. step up the pace on death row; each convict gets five years to make as many appeals as they like but if progress isn't made and their time's up, it's over, pal.

5. for execution to work it needs to be both public and brutal. i propose hanging as the method, though beheading, firing squad and other methods would work as well. it should be done at midnight, in the open, in front of city hall. every local broadcast television station should be required to air it and networks would be allowed to pick it up.

6. public humiliation should work nicely for lesser offenses. it used to anyway. so for minor offenses, you dress a kid in a chicken suit and make him scrub graffiti off walls. with any luck you could convince the local t.v. stations to pick it up as well.

7. repeal every gun law since the '34 gca (matter of fact, most laws written since then can go, too). ensure the protection of every adult's right to carry concealed anywhere in the nation. encourage participation by giving a tax break on a house purchase (uh, yeah, btw, in my world there is no income tax).

ought to be a good start.

 

[TechBrute]

You aren't running for office, are you? Just wanted to know who to vote for...

 

[Mot45acp]

office

You aren't running for office, are you? Just wanted to know who to vote for...

+1

 

[Meplat]

5. for execution to work it needs to be both public and brutal. i propose hanging as the method, though beheading, firing squad and other methods would work as well. it should be done at midnight, in the open, in front of city hall. every local broadcast television station should be required to air it and networks would be allowed to pick it up.

Uh huh. Public executions. Brutal public executions. State enforced broadcasting laws for brutal public executions. Yeah, that'll bring our children up to be civilized human beings. After we've done it here, perhaps we can talk our Muslim neighbors into "Honor Killing" their women by burying them neck deep and tossing rocks at their heads...wait, they already do that. If we go to brutal executions, we wouldn't HAVE to worry about your aforementioned legalization of drugs or turning offenders loose. We could just do like they do in China. Have them kneel, twenty five or thirty at the time, walk up behind them, and bust a cap in the base of their skull. Or better yet, we could even go back to the good old days of crucifixion. Hang 'em on a tree, and let them take all day to die. It was good enough for that Savior fellow....<sheesh>

How about sure, swift, and as humane as possible use of the death penalty we already have in place. Eliminate the twenty to thirty year waiting period, then git 'r done. The problem is the sporadic and willy nilly use of the current laws, and the fact that many sentenced to death often wind up dying of natural causes on death row. It ain't much of a deterrent if it's not used consistently - or even not at all.

Local case - man kills four people in 1996...gets released somehow or other, gets picked up AGAIN in 2006 for killing four more. Saw the headlines, shook my head in disgust. Had an intitial, quite ceremony with just the family and a few close friends been held in '97, the last four would be alive today. Not to mention that all the lil' boys in the hood who idolized this piece of crap would not have wanted to follow in his footsteps to "fame". Recidivism rate after capitol punishment approaches zero percent, so I DO think the death penalty is a viable tool. Harkening back to the days of public executions isn't. It demeans the entire society. I can't think of ONE SINGLE culture that practiced it and attached any value at all to the life of the commoner.

6. public humiliation should work nicely for lesser offenses. it used to anyway. so for minor offenses, you dress a kid in a chicken suit and make him scrub graffiti off walls. with any luck you could convince the local t.v. stations to pick it up as well.

And when an overzealous local magistrate decides that the fitting punishment for YOUR having exceeded the speed limit by seven miles per hour is to lock you in the stocks and let your fellow citizens throw rotten food at you, will you be as supportive? Yeah, it worked for the Puritans. As did witch dunking, burning those oddballs accused of consorting with the Devil at the stake...etc., etc.....

Chicken suits and graffitti scrubbing, I must admit, DO hold a certain attraction for me for fitting crimes. The idea of "going back to what used to work", however, holds no attraction at all. The punishments they had then DID NOT fit the crimes. People tend to stop reading the Constitution when the get to the Second Amendment, or Fourth Amendment, or whichever Amendment THEY hold dearest. Somehow they either skip over or never get to the ban on cruel and unusual punishment. I for one don't WANT to live in a tribalistic society.

7. repeal every gun law since the '34 gca (matter of fact, most laws written since then can go, too). ensure the protection of every adult's right to carry concealed anywhere in the nation.

Easiest way to do that it to follow the wording of the 2nd. "...keep and BEAR arms shall not be infringed..."(emphasis added to "bear" by author). Concealed or not, one cannot be "bearing" an arm without...err...bearing an arm. As to permits, once again, going back to the 2nd, every American citizen's birth certificate IS their carry permit.

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Yet more propaganda

:banghead: Look folks, I think this is silly, I earlier read merk's post, um... so apparently gangstas like tech9s, sks, and shotguns, what else is new? What they don't choose to say is that sks rifles are ubiquitous in tx!!

The sks is the new 30-30 of our day. I live in MO where many people use it to hunt deer. Whats more, these guns are not "on the streets" they are in people's homes. Criminals still like to use pistols for carry. There are millions of sks rifles. THESE ARE THE GUNS EVERYONE PREFERS!

Those sks rifles and shotguns are for home defense. kind of like legitimate citizens keep those weapons for self-defense.

As long as we continue to have soemthing from elsewhere that costs $5 a lbs to make be worth 5,000 a lbs here, we will have drug dealers, prostitutes, gun runners, etc. Because the police become better armed, better traind, etc. the criminals will respond w/ greater force.

No one even talked about "assault weapons" b/f the drug war got stepped up. As long as the state continues the drug war, teens will arm themselves with deadly weapons to support the only economic opportunity they have. As long as the state ignores the plight of the inner-city(not w/ another handout but with real economic opportunites), our streets will be bloody.

This isn't about teens, bad supervision, etc. this is about the drug war, and civil rights, poor people, and economic opportunity. The police are reaping the consequences of f'd up policies

 

[Moonclip]

I think that was pax's point. I you read my post, you see that we both worked hard for our $400. Some of these kids may be getting $400 in a easier manner.

The easier manner is not always that easy. Mowing lawns while not as lucrative, generally does not result in death by homicide very often or arrest!

As for ARs in rap, I was listening to the rap channel on XM radio and some rapper was rapping about an AR, I have no idea who he was though. In rap though, when a rifle is mentioned it usually seems to be an AK but I have heard an SKS get mentioned as well. Any 30/30 in rap yet?