U.S. Gov't Aiding Mexico Against Minutemen?/ It's an Outrage Merged

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Thanks for your service. I respect that.

But I still don't get why you think military service should not, when circumstances require it for national defense, be part of every citizen's responsibilities? My point was not that citizens be compelled to serve but that they would want to if the country needed them.

I think this is getting us off-topic, to be honest. We have bigger problems, internal and external, that should unite all of us in a common cause.
 
A citizen has no obligation to the government but to avoid violating the rights of his fellow citizens.

And a government has no obligation to its citizens but to protect them from violations of their rights.

Compulsory service of any kind is an infringement of liberty.
 
Service on the borders

might be a good way for the country to go. Enlist to serve on the borders, like the coast guard only on land.
No guns just be there so you have the ability to keep out intruders, have a cell phone and let the ones who are Border Patrol come and get um.

:neener:
 
Guys, start a new thread about the draft and keep this one on topic, please. We've got enough problems with the border and the lack of border enforcement without fighting over the draft :)
 
Spartucus 2002 may be on point there. Because Article I, Section VIII, (repelling invasion) doesn't specify anyone but the MILITIA to reple invasion.

So the militia, being a volunteer civilian body, being organized by Congress, but COMMANDED by local officers appointed by the State, is the answer. And, considering our Government Promised to protect against invasion in Articel IV, and the only manner the Constitution uses to address the method of doing so is Article I, Section VIII, clauses four, fifteen and sixteen, that would remove the need for draft. If Congress would simply read it.
 
finally the fiscal and social impact coming out

The inmates are running the asylum.

Reform bill to double immigration
By Charles Hurt
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published May 15, 2006
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The immigration reform bill that the Senate takes up today would more than double the flow of legal immigration into the United States each year and dramatically lower the skill level of those immigrants.
The number of extended family members that U.S. citizens or legal residents can bring into this country would double. More dramatically, the number of workers and their immediate families could increase sevenfold if there are enough U.S. employers looking for cheap foreign labor. Another provision would grant humanitarian visas to any woman or orphaned child anywhere in the world "at risk of harm" because of age or sex.
The little-noticed provisions are part of legislation co-sponsored by Republican Sens. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska and Mel Martinez of Florida, which overcame some early stumbles and now has bipartisan support in the Senate. The bill also has been praised by President Bush, and he is expected to endorse it as a starting point for negotiations in his prime-time address to the nation tonight
All told, the Hagel-Martinez bill would increase the annual flow of legal immigrants into the U.S. to more than 2 million from roughly 1 million today, scholars and analysts say.
These proposed increases are in addition to the estimated 10 million to 12 million illegal aliens already in the U.S. whom the bill would put on a path to citizenship. These figures also do not take into account the hundreds of thousands of additional immigrants who would be admitted to the U.S. each year under the guest-worker program that is part of the bill.
"If there is anyone left in the world, we would accept another 325,000 through the guest-worker program in the first year," said NumbersUSA's Rosemary Jenks, who supports stricter immigration laws.
The numbers have emerged only recently as opponents studied the hastily written 614-page bill in the five weeks since it was first proposed. It quickly stalled over Democratic refusal to allow consideration of any amendments to the bill, but debate resumes today after Senate leaders reached a compromise on the number of amendments.
"Immigration is already at historic levels," said Ms. Jenks. "This would double that at least."
The figures have been provided by Ms. Jenks, the Heritage Foundation and several Senate lawyers who have studied the bill since it was proposed.
One of the most alarming aspects of the bill, they say, are the provisions that drastically alter not only how many but also which type of workers are ushered into the country.
Historically, the system that grants visas to workers has been slanted in favor of the highly educated and highly skilled.
Currently, a little less than 60 percent of the 140,000 work visas granted each year are reserved for professors, engineers, doctors and others with "extraordinary abilities." Fewer than 10 percent are set aside for unskilled laborers. The idea has always been to draw the best and the brightest to America.
Under the Senate proposal, those priorities would be flipped.
The percentage of work visas that would go to the highly educated or highly skilled would be cut in half to about 30 percent. The percentage of work visas that go to unskilled laborers would more than triple. In hard numbers for those categories, the highest skilled workers would be granted 135,000 visas annually, while the unskilled would be granted 150,000 annually.
What's more, the Hagel-Martinez bill would make it considerably easier for unskilled workers to remain here permanently while keeping hurdles in place for skilled workers. It would still require highly skilled workers who are here on a temporary basis to find an employer to "petition" for their permanent residency but it would allow unskilled laborers to "self-petition," meaning their employer would not have to guarantee their employment as a condition on staying.
Slanting immigration law in favor of the unskilled and uneducated would be costly, said Robert Rector, a senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation who has just completed a study on the impact of immigration and the new Senate bill.
"College-educated immigrants are likely to be strong contributors to the government's finances, with their taxes exceeding the government's costs," wrote Mr. Rector, who will release his findings today at a press conference with Sen. Jeff Sessions, Alabama Republican.
"By contrast, immigrants with low education levels are likely to be a fiscal drain on other taxpayers," he added. "This is important because half of all adult illegal immigrants in the U.S. have less than a high-school education. In addition, recent immigrants have high levels of out-of-wedlock childbearing, which increases welfare costs and poverty."
The flood of unskilled workers could cause other problems as well, opponents say.
Because they would be allowed to "self-petition," their obtaining permanent residency here would bypass the Department of Labor, which currently monitors immigration to ensure that American workers are not displaced by foreign immigrant labor.
But the greatest cost to the U.S. may not be the unskilled workers who immigrate here in the future, but the ones who are already here illegally.
Mr. Rector estimates that the Senate bill would grant citizenship to between 9 million and 10 million illegal aliens. If allowed to become citizens, those immigrants would be permitted to bring their entire extended family, including any elderly parents.
"The long-term cost of government benefits to the parents of 10 million recipients of amnesty could be $30 billion per year or more," Mr. Rector said. "In the long run, the [Hagel-Martinez] bill, if enacted, would be the largest expansion of the welfare state in 35 years."
 
THIS is exactly what I've been warning people about: Legalize 12 million, actually get 36-50 million.

If allowed to become citizens, those immigrants would be permitted to bring their entire extended family, including any elderly parents.
 
At a time when when we should be declaring an immigration moratorium they want to open the floodgates. I'd call it insanity except I know there's a malign motive behind it all.

And whatever happened to the national security concerns this Administration is so hot about?

These "Lords" in the Senate don't own America or America's future--but they really must think they do.

The time to get angry and get active is NOW.
 
Gentlemen....

try 100 million.....

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Immigration/wm1076.cfm

1. To LP supporters who advocate open borders .....I think your party can forget that plank. The Ds and Rs in Congress are about to take care of that.

2. If anyone has been wondering about the US sliding into 3rd world status, I can give you a pretty good timeline.

3. You may not consider yourself a minority, but your children will. They won't be wrong either.

4....and lastly, for those that decry 3rd party voting prepare for an upsetting future. There will be plenty of 3rd parties over the next 20 years.

Gave a great day!

S-
 
I think we are moving beyond the time of alternative parties and toward the time of armed camps. Not what any of us want but inevitable when people are deliberately set against one another--

AND THAT IS PRECISELY WHAT THIS GOVERNMENT IS DOING.
 
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