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U.S. Navy declares ‘war’ in Southie, Boston MA

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  1. Rockrivr1

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    Boston Herald Article

    Boston's waterfront will look like a battle zone - with military gunfire, circling choppers and Navy SEALs on the attack - under a Pentagon war-games plan that has the support of a high-powered Southie pol but is still under review by the mayor.

    ``We need to do this. It's part of the training for our troops,'' U.S. Rep. Stephen F. Lynch (D-South Boston) said yesterday. ``The Navy wants to put its special ops forces through realistic situations, an approximation of what they might face in a major city, what they might face in Iraq.''

    But Mayor Thomas M. Menino said yesterday he has not signed off on the idea of having Boston look anything like downtown Baghdad.

    ``I don't know about any live fire, that's for sure,'' Menino said. ``We're still looking at all the details. We don't want the lives of the people of South Boston and East Boston disrupted by this.''

    Some 50 elite Navy SEALs would practice sniper fire with paint balls and perform hostage extractions, water landings, sea-mine evasions and other urban combat maneuvers from June 6 to June 18 as part of the exercises to be conducted by the Naval Special Warfare Development Group.

    The Navy is also hoping to land helicopters in urban areas and take advantage of the city's narrow streets to simulate combat situations in labyrinthine neighborhoods, according to Pentagon requests delivered to the city.

    The Navy hopes to take over Drydock and Kennedy avenues at Black Falcon Terminal, as well as the Reserved Channel along the Boston Inner Harbor, for the ``urban military training'' games.

    Lynch is urging the city to welcome the Navy, saying the military's presence will boost the city's economy and security. On Monday, he wrote to Naval Special Warfare Commander Capt. E.G. Winters, saying he supports efforts to give commandos ``techniques and training necessary to defend themselves and our nation's interests around the globe.''

    Navy Special Warfare Lt. Cmdr. Andrew Levitz said the training will not ``cause any problem for local residents.'' The snipers will fire paint balls, and the area the SEALs take over will be confined to the Black Falcon neighborhood, Levitz said. He would not be specific about the exercises, citing homeland security concerns.

    ``We are training the SEALs in what they need to do overseas,'' he said, adding that similar simulations have been conducted in other cities around the country. ``Every city gives us a different look, and Boston is a great city.''

    The city's homeland security director, Carlo Boccia, said he will meet with Navy officials in the coming days to negotiate their proposal. After inquiries from the Herald, Boccia said one thing the city will demand is that live sniper fire and explosives are not part of the Pentagon war games.

    ``Tentatively, we will not allow any live fire, not allow any explosions,'' he said. ``If they do conduct exercises, it will be in relationship to the port. We would like to get this done as soon as possible, but we are not going to do it unless it satisfies the city's requirements.''

    Oh man, I hope the Mayor signs off on this. Seeing the SEALs invading Southie would be an awesome site. It will be interesting to see the tactics and equipment they will be using. To bad they will only be using paint ball guns though.
     
  2. TallPine

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    Practice for possible future actions against American citizens...? :uhoh:
    (such as gun confiscations)
    </tinfoil mode> :p


    Do they have paint ball ammunition for their normal issue firearms? (223 & 9mm)
    Doesn't seem like very good training to use a "weapon" that is not the same as what you would use in actual operations.
     
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    Sniper fire with paintballs?
     
  4. Henry Bowman

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    To the biased media, any aimed shot is from a "sniper." All other shooters "spray fire." :rolleyes:
     
  5. striker3

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    There are rounds called simunitions. They are rounds with plastric bullets. The bullet is hollow and filled with a colored marker substance(not liquid). You switch out the slide on the M9, and the upper on the M4. For CQB practice, the rounds give realistic training with actual issue weapons.
     
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    The Navy hopes to take over Drydock and Kennedy avenues at Black Falcon Terminal, as well as the Reserved Channel along the Boston Inner Harbor, for the ``urban military training'' games.

    Lynch is urging the city to welcome the Navy, saying the military's presence will boost the city's economy and security. On Monday, he wrote to Naval Special Warfare Commander Capt. E.G. Winters, saying he supports efforts to give commandos ``techniques and training necessary to defend themselves and our nation's interests around the globe.''

    Navy Special Warfare Lt. Cmdr. Andrew Levitz said the training will not ``cause any problem for local residents.'' The snipers will fire paint balls, and the area the SEALs take over will be confined to the Black Falcon neighborhood, Levitz said. He would not be specific about the exercises, citing homeland security concerns.


    :eek: Has anybody bothered to consider how the residents of Southie might react to this exercise? :uhoh:

    I'm sure other urban areas have their own bad places full of BGs, but considering how the squids at the Charlestown Navy Yard used to get pushed around by the young gentlemen from Southie, I'm not so sure paintballs will be adequate for the Seals.

    stay safe.

    skidmark
     
  7. shermacman

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    What an idiot. Here is the mayor of a major East coast city trying to figure out if the military uses live ammo in a urban test scenario. He is dumber than a bag of hammers.
     
  8. Justin

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    Disagree.

    Hammers, at least, offer some degree of usefulness.
     
  9. shermacman

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    True, but a bag of hammers?
    I can't think of a single (legal) use...

    :D
     
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    Mumbles Menino at his best. What a Clown.

    Very little escapes from his mouth that doesn't make you shake your head.
     
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    The question nobody has asked yet is: In South Boston, won't the SEALS and the helicopters be outgunned by the residents? :evil:
     
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    Boston has very tough gun laws. Nobody there has guns.

    The gang members thumb-wrestle to decide who wins a fight.
     
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    Link to the original article?
     
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    The Navy ?? maybe they could fix the leaks in the BIG DIG !!!!
     
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    Maybe they could get the Senior and Junior Senators from MA involved in the exercise?

    This way they could practice a scenario in which terrorists try to attack us by dirigible, and the other one may be able to win another Purple Heart!

    Sorry, couldn't resist ;)
     
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    "Practice for possible future actions against American citizens...?" - Tallpine

    honestly, with the money and resources afforded to them, is it necessary to mock attack boston under the pretense that it is a necessity to train troops for close quarter combat such as the type they might experience say... in Iraq? unnecessary IMO, but whatever, its boston... like any armed resistance would come out of mass even under the most dire circumstances.
     
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    How about this for realisim. Stop lying about the pretenses and send them to Iraq. Plenty of stuff already in place and taking place to "simulate" what they may face there. More than in Boston. :scrutiny:

    I have a serious problem with the military conducting excercises in places other than the military reservations already set aside for such things. It makes me wonder if we're being innoculated in preparation of seeing armed troops in our streets or seeing them participate in more actions in what would otherwise be civil matters.
     
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    They are realy trying to capture Whitey Bulger!!
     
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    Stevelyn has the right idea, but let's keep the SEALS at home and send the entire MA congressional delegation to Iraq. Maybe getting up close and personal with their terrorist heros would change some minds.

    Jim
     
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    ">>Maybe they could get the Senior and Junior Senators from MA involved in the exercise?<<<"

    EXCUSE ME the senior Senator and exercise mentioned in the same sentence, he just had angina from you typing it, the only real exercise that man ever did was swimming away from the car. Oh wait he has done the 12 oz curl about 200 million times and he has had no trouble pulling his zipper up and down a couple of hundred more times.......


    The Senior Senator of Massachusetts should do the SEALs a favor and volunteer to be a live fire target
     
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    Cool,,,

    Who's for a THR Get Together in Boston?

    Somewhere between the 6th and 18th of June or so...

    :D
     
  24. shermacman

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    Party!

    I'll get Jean Fraud Kerry to retell his "Magic Hat" story about running guns on the PT-109 to the Khmer Rouge. Maybe he can act it out during the invasion!

    I'll get Teddy the K (D-Chivas) to reenact the last voyage of the Good Ship Oldsmobile off of Falcon Pier.

    We have so much to be proud of with our current crop of Massachusetts politicians!
     
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    That's a nice thought, but they can't do amphibious assaults on military bases because of all of the rules that protect endangered sea turtles, sea lions, and not to mention sand pipers. :eek:
     
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