Uberti 1858 New Army Black Powder Revolver 44 Caliber 8" Barrel Engraved Frame Ivory Grips

[Mark_Mark]

They also have this one! about 363$ off
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/101891772?pid=731835

I seen that too! but I don’t know anything below 1873

 

[hawg]

I think Midway uses the suggested retail price to mark them down from. Most of their sale prices are close to what everybody else's daily prices are.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I think Midway uses the suggested retail price to mark them down from. Most of their sale prices are close to what everybody else's daily prices are.

I know they do! and it’s usually above retail and they call it “ Our Price” but fir $448… that a good price

 

[Mark_Mark]

They mostly don't use hammer and chisel any more. They use air powered engraving tools. Picture a guy in Montana scratching away at guns all day and charging under $1000 for 75% coverage.

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that’s REALLY Nice! do you wear that gun?

 

[Just4FunOldGuns]

If you do a search on Uberti's site, this is the only gun that come's up as being engraved for the 1858, from 2017. It say's limited to 500. I looked in the box, and there is no certificate stating it was engraved, however there is a brochure from them, a fold out with their guns pictured and one of the things stated on the back, also available in;
Hand Engraving
Laser Engraving
https://www.uberti-usa.com/search/site/1858 army engraved

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

No it ain't. I've had two done and another on the way. If you can afford to buy another gun, you can afford to have one you already own engraved.



That's comical. In case you haven't noticed, everything has gone up. It went up before the current bout of inflation and then it went up more. The standard blued version is over $400. So $450 for a laser engraved gun with upgraded grips is a huge bargain.

Secondly, they're not just plastic grips. Uberti's imitation ivory is very nice. It has a visible grain structure not at all unlike TruIvory and UltraIvory. Which may cost upwards of $200 to have fitted. Most people would consider them to be a premium option and it's $200 to buy them outright.

Thirdly, their laser engraving is very well done and again, a nice upgrade for little cash outlay.

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I have a bunch of the Pietta laser engraved guns, six if I remember right. Some of them are cut very shallow, like the blued 1851 below and my 1860. Others are cut very deep, almost to the point of resembling deep relief cut hand engraving. The three "silver" 1851's below are like this. Which is what the gun in the OP's link looks like. The two gold cylindered guns are a year apart and one is cut deeper than the other. They're also a good example of actual "cheap plastic grips". Worlds apart from the Uberti above.

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Yeah, I have to disagree that any plastic grips are an "upgrade"
folks are constantly complaining about the price of ROAs but the Italian replicas are getting closer in price than they have been in years.
My biggest complaint is the plastic grips even if some folks think its super awesome plastic.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Yeah, I have to disagree that any plastic grips are an "upgrade"
folks are constantly complaining about the price of ROAs but the Italian replicas are getting closer in price than they have been in years.
My biggest complaint is the plastic grips even if some folks think its super awesome plastic.

but, it’s a $448 gun….

I’m new to BP and 1800’s cowboy guns. But, I find lots of value and good craftsmanship in the hand full of cowboys I have bought. These Italian guns are a work of art when compared to my Plastic Glocks or AR’s. I would be more than happy to pay $448 for Laser engraving & plastic grips.

just my 2cent

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Usually someone in Spain!
Not having any experience with laser engraving, not convinced this gun is! The side's aren't symmetrical, just little details that are off in the edge's of the "engraving" Betting more on stamped or rolled. Going to try and get some picture's up this weekend when I have more time. On a positive note, the cylinder gap is so tight, I don't believe I could insert a piece of paper between the barrel and cylinder! Also the cylinder catch is so tight, I can't just insert the cylinder after cleaning, had to push it down just so when popping the cylinder back in. She locks up tight. Looks like she was made in 2021.

Just a quick mention, when you reinstall the cylinder do you go to half cock on the hammer? If so the timing is off and the bolt is either dropping to soon or not retracting far enough into the frame to clear the cylinder. Either way at half cock it should not be sticking up.

 

[CraigC]

If Uberti says it's "hand chased", then it is first laser engraved with the pattern and then hand engraved to reach the desired effect. Which is the reason for its higher price tag.

Yeah, I have to disagree that any plastic grips are an "upgrade"
folks are constantly complaining about the price of ROAs but the Italian replicas are getting closer in price than they have been in years.
My biggest complaint is the plastic grips even if some folks think its super awesome plastic.

You can see it that way if you think all plastic is the same. Ivory is all but unobtainable and a good substitute IS an upgrade to many people. Else they wouldn't be $200. A synthetic substitute with visible grain is not "just plastic", regardless of any opinions to the contrary. You could always spring for giraffe bone or Dall sheep horn. Then you'll REALLY be bitching about prices.

How you can equate a friggin' engraved Uberti with upgraded grips to the climbing prices of Ruger Old Armies is beyond me. If you want to complain about prices, write your congress critters.

 

[Mark_Mark]

I now see why It’s on sale for 50% off. The Cowboy market is Cheap or Expensive. Anything in-between is criticized to death

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

You can see it that way if you think all plastic is the same. Ivory is all but unobtainable and a good substitute IS an upgrade to many people. Else they wouldn't be $200. A synthetic substitute with visible grain is not "just plastic", regardless of any opinions to the contrary. You could always spring for giraffe bone or Dall sheep horn. Then you'll REALLY be bitching about prices.

How you can equate a friggin' engraved Uberti with upgraded grips to the climbing prices of Ruger Old Armies is beyond me. If you want to complain about prices, write your congress critters.

Of course all plastic is not the same, but it's still plastic.
I' m not really "complaining" my point is, it's not for me.
Other folks are welcome to think it's super awesome plastic if they want.
Everyone has different tastes, and mine is NOT plastic.
Some folks love themselves a plant based burger, but I'll go with beef or venison and skip the impossible burger.
I'm sure that there are folks who think an impossible burger is an upgrade over actual meat too, but I don't agree with that either.
Not even sure where your going with rest.

 

[hawg]

I don't understand why anybody would want a Ruger Old Army in the first place.

 

[woodnbow]

I don't understand why anybody would want a Ruger Old Army in the first place.

Them’s fightin’ words!

 

[Mark_Mark]

Of course all plastic is not the same, but it's still plastic.
I' m not really "complaining" my point is, it's not for me.
Other folks are welcome to think it's super awesome plastic if they want.
Everyone has different tastes, and mine is NOT plastic.
Some folks love themselves a plant based burger, but I'll go with beef or venison and skip the impossible burger.
I'm sure that there are folks who think an impossible burger is an upgrade over actual meat too, but I don't agree with that either.
Not even sure where your going with rest.

compare Plastic Grips to Impossible burger!!! now thats funny

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

I don't understand why anybody would want a Ruger Old Army in the first place.

Because they are great solid accurate pistols. They represent the pinnacle in development for a percussion revolver. At least in my opinion. I have 2 of them and wouldn't let go of them for any reason. I remember years ago lots of groups and club people wouldn't let you compete with the Rugers. It wasn't about history for them but rather prejudice against something new.

 

[hawg]

Because they are great solid accurate pistols. They represent the pinnacle in development for a percussion revolver. At least in my opinion. I have 2 of them and wouldn't let go of them for any reason. I remember years ago lots of groups and club people wouldn't let you compete with the Rugers. It wasn't about history for them but rather prejudice against something new.

I'll bet it was about history. There's nothing historical about them. They shouldn't be allowed in historical groups.

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

Of course there's something historical about an ROA.
It's a revolver - Historical
Utilizes percussion caps, Black Powder and lead projectiles - Historical
It has similar features to Remington NMA, and Rogers & Spencer - Historical

If you don't put plastic grips on it, load up non historical Pyrodex or other sub powders, and stay away from lead free projectiles, you're welcome to shoot it in these parts for history's sake.

 

[hawg]

Of course there's something historical about an ROA.
It's a revolver - Historical
Utilizes percussion caps, Black Powder and lead projectiles - Historical
It has similar features to Remington NMA, and Rogers & Spencer - Historical

If you don't put plastic grips on it, load up non historical Pyrodex or other sub powders, and stay away from lead free projectiles, you're welcome to shoot it in these parts for history's sake.

It doesn't resemble anything used back in the day, therefore non historical and enough with the plastic grips rants.

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

It doesn't resemble anything used back in the day, therefore non historical and enough with the plastic grips rants.

There are all kinds of replica interpretations of historical arms that are not completely accurate.
The ROA isn't really trying to be a replica, but it's not all that far off compared to some other misses out there.

ROA rants, inline rants, plastic grips rants, what's the difference?

 

[Just4FunOldGuns]

Just a quick mention, when you reinstall the cylinder do you go to half cock on the hammer? If so the timing is off and the bolt is either dropping to soon or not retracting far enough into the frame to clear the cylinder. Either way at half cock it should not be sticking up.

Yes, even at half cock it is sticks out slightly, looking into it more, I miss-spoke, it's not the cylinder catch but the hand is catching. looks like it has a few burrs in it and I'll probably have to take it apart and stone it. I can feel a rough edge at the very tip of it on one side.

Ok, I see what your talking about, need to barely pull the trigger back to install the cylinder.

 

[CraigC]

Of course all plastic is not the same, but it's still plastic.
I' m not really "complaining" my point is, it's not for me.
Other folks are welcome to think it's super awesome plastic if they want.
Everyone has different tastes, and mine is NOT plastic.
Some folks love themselves a plant based burger, but I'll go with beef or venison and skip the impossible burger.
I'm sure that there are folks who think an impossible burger is an upgrade over actual meat too, but I don't agree with that either.
Not even sure where your going with rest.

Do you understand that real ivory is not an option but that a lot of people still want ivory? Do you also understand that even when it was readily available, it was still awfully expensive? My cheapest set of ivory revolver grips was $500. My most expensive, over $1000. Does it not make sense to you that some folks will want to pay an extra $200 for a very good imitation ivory, even though others may narrow-mindedly disregard it as "super awesome plastic"? In order for your analogy to work, beef or venison could not be not an option.

Where I'm going with it is, you're bitching about the price. Seemingly forgetting that we're on the brink of recession. Materials have gone up. Labor has gone up. The cost of doing business has gone up. Then add inflation on top of that. Prices are up. The other minor detail you seem to be omitting, while whining about the cost compared to a ROA, is that the gun is engraved. Not just lasered but hand chased. That contributes to the higher cost of a standard model. In addition to the grip upgrade, which you disregard as an upgrade. Does any of this make sense or am I pissing in the wind?

I don't understand why anybody would want a Ruger Old Army in the first place.

I don't understand it either but for some reason, people like them. Just like with cartridge guns, Ruger New Models do not scratch the same itch as a Colt-type sixgun.

It's a revolver - Historical

So imitation ivory on a Uberti is an abomination but the Ruger Old Army is cool? Interesting measuring stick ya got there. Is the LCR also historical because it's a revolver?

 

[hawg]

Do you understand that real ivory is not an option but that a lot of people still want ivory? Do you also understand that even when it was readily available, it was still awfully expensive? My cheapest set of ivory revolver grips was $500. My most expensive, over $1000. Does it not make sense to you that some folks will want to pay an extra $200 for a very good imitation ivory, even though others may narrow-mindedly disregard it as "super awesome plastic"? In order for your analogy to work, beef or venison could not be not an option.

Where I'm going with it is, you're bitching about the price. Seemingly forgetting that we're on the brink of recession. Materials have gone up. Labor has gone up. The cost of doing business has gone up. Then add inflation on top of that. Prices are up. The other minor detail you seem to be omitting, while whining about the cost compared to a ROA, is that the gun is engraved. Not just lasered but hand chased. That contributes to the higher cost of a standard model. In addition to the grip upgrade, which you disregard as an upgrade. Does any of this make sense or am I pissing in the wind?



I don't understand it either but for some reason, people like them. Just like with cartridge guns, Ruger New Models do not scratch the same itch as a Colt-type sixgun.



So imitation ivory on a Uberti is an abomination but the Ruger Old Army is cool? Interesting measuring stick ya got there. Is the LCR also historical because it's a revolver?

I wish I could like this post twice.

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

I think some folks just like to argue.
If you don't want an ROA, don't buy one.
If you like super awesome plastic grips, go for it.
Neither of those decisions are going upset me, affect me, or make any difference to me really.

 

[CraigC]

No, I was trying to make a point but never mind.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Guys… the gun is $448, I lost more money in a hand of poker.

don’t care if it’s a wall hanger, it’s pretty! ZERO complaints before I even received the gun.

Tell you what, I’m a photographer, and I’ll take some macro shots of the detail engraving and plastic grips