EMS_92
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Getting ready to purchase my first BP gun and I'm quite partial to the new army. I was settled on the stainless until I read that it is just plain steel in the white. Can anyone shed some light on this?
Uberti 1858 remington new army, stainless or blued?
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Crawdad1
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It couldn't be!! Just through cleaning it, the plain steel would rust so bad that it would be junk in a few months. And people would be complaining!!!
EMS_92
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Anyone own one or better yet both?
BullSlinger
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I own and am pleased with the 58 Ubert blued.. Shoots well and cleans up easily.
Personally I like blue over stainless, there also is a substantial cost difference.
I just bought a Cimarron 1858 Remington Navy. The workmanship is like night and day compared to an Uberti. I bought the original finish and like it.
Uberit is on vacation all this month and won't begin shipping until sometime late November, thus they will not arrive here until late in the year.
So if you want one, you might not want to delay.
Texas Jack's only had 4 Uberti's in stock and no 2 alike.
I just bought a Cimarron 1858 Remington Navy. The workmanship is like night and day compared to an Uberti. I bought the original finish and like it.
Uberit is on vacation all this month and won't begin shipping until sometime late November, thus they will not arrive here until late in the year.
So if you want one, you might not want to delay.
Texas Jack's only had 4 Uberti's in stock and no 2 alike.
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I just bought a Cimarron 1858 Remington Navy. The workmanship is like night and day compared to an Uberti. I bought the original finish and like it.
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The Cimmaron *is* a Uberti, same as any other, just one extra roll mark on the bbl.
The original finish is very pleasing. It's available from both Taylor's and Cimmarons importation of Uberti. It cleans up with ease after shooting and looks great.
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The Cimmaron *is* a Uberti, same as any other, just one extra roll mark on the bbl.
The original finish is very pleasing. It's available from both Taylor's and Cimmarons importation of Uberti. It cleans up with ease after shooting and looks great.
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"The Cimmaron *is* a Uberti, same as any other, just one extra roll mark on the bbl."
The first 1858 Army I bought I could not get the cylinder back in the frame and neither could my gunsmith nor his 2 employees. I called Taylors and the gunsmith said send it to him and that he knew exactly what the problem(s) were. I bought a 1858 Navy, same problem again. Called Taylor's and the gunsmith told me how to fix it.
The Cimarron I just bought functions as it was meant to. There is less gap on a Cimarron between the cylinder and the frame than a Uberti.
The Cimarron comes from the Uberti factory granted, but there are small differences. Put a Uberit on half cock and spin the cylinder and do the same with a Cimarron, a distinct different sound.
I really wanted the Charcoal blue, but they did not have one, the original finish is really growing on me.
The first 1858 Army I bought I could not get the cylinder back in the frame and neither could my gunsmith nor his 2 employees. I called Taylors and the gunsmith said send it to him and that he knew exactly what the problem(s) were. I bought a 1858 Navy, same problem again. Called Taylor's and the gunsmith told me how to fix it.
The Cimarron I just bought functions as it was meant to. There is less gap on a Cimarron between the cylinder and the frame than a Uberti.
The Cimarron comes from the Uberti factory granted, but there are small differences. Put a Uberit on half cock and spin the cylinder and do the same with a Cimarron, a distinct different sound.
I really wanted the Charcoal blue, but they did not have one, the original finish is really growing on me.
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The Cimmaron *is* a Uberti. Sounds like your first one was defective. I've sent back two defective Cimmarons too. They are all just cheap Italian copies, with misdimensioned arbors, etc., sorry to say. There's nothing magic about Cimmaron.
You can believe what you like, but all current manufacture Ubertis are the same, no matter if imported by Taylor's, Cimmaron, or Stoeger. This has been hashed out many times. I've got over 30 Ubertis from all three importers and they are identical. With all due respect I don't think you've seen a large enough sample.
The charcoal blue is very pretty but wears fast. The antique finish is great. Basic blue = ok. In stainless I'd just buy a Ruger.
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The Cimmaron *is* a Uberti. Sounds like your first one was defective. I've sent back two defective Cimmarons too. They are all just cheap Italian copies, with misdimensioned arbors, etc., sorry to say. There's nothing magic about Cimmaron.
You can believe what you like, but all current manufacture Ubertis are the same, no matter if imported by Taylor's, Cimmaron, or Stoeger. This has been hashed out many times. I've got over 30 Ubertis from all three importers and they are identical. With all due respect I don't think you've seen a large enough sample.
The charcoal blue is very pretty but wears fast. The antique finish is great. Basic blue = ok. In stainless I'd just buy a Ruger.
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"You can believe what you like, but all current manufacture Ubertis are the same, no matter if imported by Taylor's, Cimmaron, or Stoeger. This has been hashed out many times. I've got over 30 Ubertis from all three importers and they are identical. With all due respect I don't think you've seen a large enough sample."
Thanks for the lecture, I do not have the funds to buy 30 pistols from the same manufacturer. Guess I am to stupid to see the differences in my own hands.
Time to move on, guess I am not allowed to have my own opinion..
Thanks for the lecture, I do not have the funds to buy 30 pistols from the same manufacturer. Guess I am to stupid to see the differences in my own hands.
Time to move on, guess I am not allowed to have my own opinion..
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Pard, we're all friends here. I'm sharing what I know so's ya'll can learn too. It's a friendly gesture.
If you got a lemon from Taylor's, it's just that. The Ubertis by any importer are the best of the imports, in my humble opinion as a shooter and collector. They sometimes need a little smoothin', and all of them need the arbors adjusted to length. Those are just the facts no matter who imports them.
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If you got a lemon from Taylor's, it's just that. The Ubertis by any importer are the best of the imports, in my humble opinion as a shooter and collector. They sometimes need a little smoothin', and all of them need the arbors adjusted to length. Those are just the facts no matter who imports them.
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Crawdad1
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Waho, only the Colts, not the Remington.
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^^ sorry for the segue.
The Uberti Remmie is a great gun, and is my general suggestion to anyone for a first cap and ball pistol. Congratulations on a purchase, shoot it well and it'll be a pleasure to have. Keep the arbor (yes there is one) well lubed with bore butter and wipe it off after every few cylinders and re-grease, and you'll love it. They are lots easier to get shooting well than any of the Uberti replica Colts.
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The Uberti Remmie is a great gun, and is my general suggestion to anyone for a first cap and ball pistol. Congratulations on a purchase, shoot it well and it'll be a pleasure to have. Keep the arbor (yes there is one) well lubed with bore butter and wipe it off after every few cylinders and re-grease, and you'll love it. They are lots easier to get shooting well than any of the Uberti replica Colts.
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I have two blued Pietta 58s and a SS one. The SS one is what I use for competition at N-SSA because it is so easy to care for, and it IS made of Stainless Steel, NO rust after 12 years of shooting and not a drop of oil ever placed on the outside. I do believe the Uberti 1858 is a tad better, but after both are tuned they both provide 10 ring accuracy.
whughett
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Acording to VTI gun parts exploded view and parts drawings there are no "arbors" on either gun, colt or remington. There is a base pin, part #21 on both .
CraigC
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After owning and handling the newer Pietta's, Uberti is no longer my first choice. The older Pietta's were rough as a corn cob but the late model guns are excellent. I've also been wanting a stainless 1858 but will get the Pietta version from Cabela's as soon as I have enough Club Visa points to pay for it. I spent all day yesterday with a mix of both and have changed my tune about the two makers.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but your conclusions are incorrect. You cannot conclude that Uberti's are bad and Cimarron's are good because of your negative experience with one Uberti (actually Taylor's). Because they both come out of the same factory and you're speaking as if they do not. I've owned several Uberti's from all the importers and can find no difference between them, apart from the rollmarks. Of which I find the Taylor's and Cimarron barrel markings to be more pleasing than Dixie Gun Works. I just have the advantage of being 2hrs from DGW and can handle them before I purchase.
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I took some Laurel Mtn Browning solution to my stainless Pietta, and i can assure you it is stainless....(i can also assure you it's not a Uberti!)... however, the barrel and frame are different compositions, and, while the metal is magnetic, it did not hold the Brown well at all, like a good stainless steel shouldn't.
Crawdad1
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Right and I agree but what they're talking about is the short 'base pin' or 'cylinder pin' or 'arbor' on the Colts. The Remingtons are not effected by a short arbor or base pin.
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CraigC
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Arbor on a Colt, basepin on a Remington.
RPRNY
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I prefer the blued guns to stainless, but that is personal aesthetics. Stainless are no easier to clean but are I suppose more impervious to surface rust. I find the 1858 Remington (mine's an Uberti) a rather dirty design and harder to clean than my Walker, albeit the Walker is more susceptible to fouling, and both are far dirtier than my Euroarms Rogers & Spencer. I am no great fan of the open top Colt in any event but they are some very good looking revolvers. An 1858 is an excellent choice for a first cap and ball revolver. I keep hearing from Pietta owners that the new Piettas are excellent. I just haven't seen it yet myself...
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I have one of each, a Uberti stainless and a uberti blued. I would be hard pressed to say I like one or the other today, but yesterday I liked the.....better and the day before it was the other?? Thats why I have one of each. Both are great.
I have one of each, a Uberti stainless and a uberti blued. I would be hard pressed to say I like one or the other today, but yesterday I liked the.....better and the day before it was the other?? Thats why I have one of each. Both are great.
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