Ultimate Battle Rifle

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Dear Weapons Innovators of America,

Please invent for me a Battle Rifle with no safety selector switch. Instead make this particular Battle Rifle Double/Single Action with a "De-Cocking" lever similar to the Sig Sauer P226. Double action pull= 8 lbs, Single action Pull= 3 lbs. This rifle must be Gas Piston driven and fire the 7.62x39 round. It must also have an ambidexerous push button magazine release, reaction hand charging handle (Similar to FN SCAR & Magpul Masada), collapsable+folding butstock, Full length top rail, & a Beef Jerky storage compartment. :D

Sincerely,

Lakedaemonian
 
Phased laser in the 40W range.........
How bout you build it yourself, and if you are somewhat mechanical inclined, and it's based on a AR or AK receiver, YOU CAN BUILD IT YOURSELF

As for the rest, anybody with brains leaves the 'urban battle' area, ever been in one, really been in one, seen what it's like,

yeah, you wouldn't ask, cause there are MUCH more important things if SHTF
 
Just gimme a Garand and if all else fails I can hit em in the head with the butt. That'll send em reeling.!

I guess I'm too old fashion for this crap!
 
Contemplating a service rifle/carbine with a decocker and thinking it's less desirable than a mechanical safety, even if the heavier DA trigger in a long gun is going to effect first round accuracy less than on a pistol. Might be wrong -- would be interesting to put a rig like that through its paces and see how it handles.
 
Well, sir, first of all, why plague a DA/SA system with anything less than a Direct-blowback?Get a pistol, look for a custom 16" barrel, think REALISTICALLY, and deal with pistol-ammo, or a .357 Sig.
Otherwise, why do you want a D/A system on a pre-cocked-ready-to-go semi-auto? Good luck dropping an Internal-hammer on a Semi-auto system, and good luck finding a DA/SA system rough enough to take a x39 round.

Besides, if fecal matter hits the fan too much, Moderators kinda step in and save the day, shall we say... ;)
 
The DA/SA is just plain unnecessary. As for the rest get an AK47. Modify it with a left hand side charging handle, a Tapco AK T6 stock, a Magpul ACS or UBR buttstock, and an extended mag release from Brownells.

Left Side Charging Handle 1: http://www.coloradoshootingsports.com/aklightningbolt.html

Left Side Charging Handle 2: http://www.dublinaksystems.com/home.html

Tapco AK T6 Stock: http://tapco.com/products/ak/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=26

Magpul ACS Stock:http://store.magpul.com/prod_detail_list/87

Magpul UBR Stock:http://store.magpul.com/prod_detail_list/86

Extended Mag Release:http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=27515/Product/EXTENDED_MAG_RELEASE_FOR_AK_47
 
meh...

Battle Rifle? F A L are the only three words you need to know...

Don't like the heft? Then knock it down to two words...A K


The AK is getting to the point where you can play male barbie with it almost as much as with an AR. The FAL style rifle less so, but there are still many accessories...including I am sure a Tactical Jerky Magazine. :p
 
One thing that I've thought about.....

Why is it only pistols that have the "trigger safety"? I've never seen a rifle with a trigger safety like a Glock.
 
I shoot rifles lefthanded! Alot if this ambi-stuff isn't really needed IMHO. As long as the safety/select switch is ambidextrous everything else is pretty okay. I prefer a lever mag release. However, I and many others have simply learned to press the mag release button with our thumb or index finger when changing the magazine. DA/SA on a rifle is pointless.

IMHO the best battle rifle is the SIG551. I own a SIG556 since it's the closest thing I can get for even a somewhat reasonable price. Plus, I like that AR mags are inexpensive.
 
Mossberg had a DAO M500 a few years back. I thought it was a pretty decent idea for LE, where most of the users probably aren't very used to using the shotgun, and a point and click interface would be familiar to them from their pistol experience.

AFAIK, it didn't sell very well.

DA/SA mechanisms are pretty complicated compared to the garand-ish trigger mech found on just about everything semi-auto these days. On a rifle, I think you'd also want to have a means of cocking the hammer for a precision first shot too. Complications lead to reliability issues...
 
Actually, I kind of like the idea.

Shadow9 posted:
Good luck dropping an Internal-hammer on a Semi-auto system, and good luck finding a DA/SA system rough enough to take a x39 round.
Click to expand...

I think I have an idea about that:

I agree that trying to decock the internal hammer on a semi might be problematic... so use an external hammer. I'd look at combining an action similar to a Winchester '97 trunch gun with an AK platform: Exposed hammer, when the bolt comes back, it cocks it. Not sure how you would get a DA/SA action set up, but the exposed hammer would give you the ability for that first shot to have a single action trigger pull, if the situation called for it.


As for finding a DA/SA action that would stand up to the abuse of a 30Russian, I'd imagine that the action of a Ruger Superredhawk in 545 Cassul or a SW500 should be strong enough. I'm no enginear, but I would think that those rounds in a lighter platform would put roughly the same amount of stress on the DA/SA system, as it would be under in a heavier, AK platform firing 7.62x39.

I'll admit, I'm not sure how you would build this, how reliable/accurate it would be, or if this would offer any benifits over an AK, AR, or FAL. Personally, I like the idea of not having to play with the safety, but I'm probably in the minority on that one.

Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
 
So what do you do with your DA rifle, when you need to place your first shot very precisely but have a long, heavy DA trigger? Sounds like an overcomplicated reinvention of the wheel with no real practical gain.
 
Sellmark (sorry to hijack) - they make a receiver-mounted LHCH for the 91 platform?! ALa FAL? That's news to me...

+1 Craig...No offense Lake, but it's overcomplicating a system in the wrong places.
If you were to do, say, the locking system of an AR-platform, hinged with the reliability and clean-operation of a solid gas-piston setup, made from good components, you'd have a VERY Solid battle rifle. Esp in .308.
Wait, I heard somewhere that a company did this recently...LWRC maybe? Or was it H&K... :p
 
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