My take on the modern patrol rifle (post yours)

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My take on the modern patrol rifle.

In today's world the rifle is still a useful tool for self defense and other duties such as law enforcement. Both uses are set up with very similar roles and tasks. The main role of course is defending one's self from a violent attacker; except with today's sue happy world any action you or I would could be taken to court. So the ability to control your fire is important as is identifying your target and what's behind it.

The key components to a patrol rifle are the following.

1. A light weight semi-automatic carbine chambered in a intermediate service cartridge.
2. Co-witnessed red dot optics and iron sights.
3. A visible white light.
4. Adjustable stock for length of pull.
5. A simple but adjustable sling.

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My two example here are both done for under $1,000.

The AR-15 is a mix master build from good parts. The barrel is a 16 inch HBAR Colt Barrel along with a Colt "F"sight tower, Colt bolt carrier group, Spike's lower, DPMS lower parts kit, upper is made by Cerro Forge for Double Star Arms, DPMS upper parts kit with tear drop forward assist. The furniture is Magpul's CTR stock and MOE handguard and VFG. The light is a Surefire Universal Weapon light with a LED build. Sling is a two point Condor Tactical. Optics are an N-Cell Eotech co-witnessed with a Magpul MBUS.

The AK pattern rifle is an older WASR-10. Optic is a Blue Ring Tac-Point Aimpoint clone on a Midwest Industries mount and is co-witnessed. Stock is a CAA metal stock with a standard M4 stock and slip on rubber butt pad. Handguards are Hogue's overmold with rails and Magpul VFG. Light is an older Streamlight M3. Weapon has been upgraded with a Tapco single hook G2 trigger and Tapco AK-74 style muzzle brake. Sling is another 2 point Condor Tactical.
 
I have a box full of accessories for my AR. However, I don't have them installed unless I'm messing around. I can really appreciate the AR as a home defense gun. Having seen some of the evidence, I like that the .223 is a tumbler and less likely to harm my close neighbors. That said, my home is tight and small. A bump in the night will be investigated with a .45 pistol. The length of the gun and concussive blast of the .233 makes it not the first thing I would pick up. The AR would be the first thing I brought out if violence in the streets came to be, however. As a "tower defense" weapon, it's great.

That said, I keep mine the plainest of Janes. I think that the extra bits are cool, but I have never found forward grips to be all that comfortable and actually prefer basic irons to a red dot. My Stag does have an adjustable stock, but I like that mostly for storing it when the full case is impractical. I just like a bare bones rifle.
 
Love the AR. Those vertical foregrips really enhance off hand shooting. They are ugly as sin and making shooting out of windows and loop holes difficult so you need to pick your poison.
 
How did you keep the price below $1000 when the optics on top cost half that?

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i was there 5 yrs ago. in past 3 years, i simplified. got rid of BUIS. got rid of white light and switched to NV. (ok that's not overall simpler but it's way more effective) and i innovated with the sling a little so that it's not on the gun when i'm not using it
 
My patrol rifle back in the day was a Remington Nylon 66 which was used to kill injured animals, and rabbits, pheasants, rats etc on midnights. One was even used to take out a barricaded gunman. In other places I worked, M1 carbines and 30-30 Winchester 94s were popular, later Mini 14s but they were all privately owned and carried.

Ironically, when I retired my guys gave me a S&W Optics Ready carbine. I had already built 6 or 7 ARs by then. It is a nice rifle however and has now has a Mueller Speed Shot scope on it. Great package BTW, Most of my ARs and all my AKs have iron sights. Basic KISS rifles and carbine. Less stuff to break, less stuff to snag.
 
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My patrol rifle back in the day was a Remington Nylon 66 which was used to kill injured animals, and rabbits, pheasants, rats etc on midnights. One was even used to take out a barricaded gunman. In other places I worked, M1 carbines and 30-30 Winchester 94s were popular, later Mini 14s but they were all privately owned and carried.

Ironically, when I retired my guys gave me a S&W Optics Ready carbine. I had already built 6 or 7 ARs by then. It is a nice rifle however and has now has a Mueller Speed Shot scope on it. Great package BTW, Most of my ARs and all my AKs have iron sights. Basic KISS rifles and carbine. Less stuff to break, less stuff to snag.
Agreed.

This is my ideal (not budget friendly) patrol rifle:
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Mine's pretty boring.

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Boring...

High Standard M-4gery .223
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Not a rifle but a darn nice patrol pistol RR lower with YHM 11" upper .223
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Not so boring...

Kel Tec RFB in .308
Short to medium range, lots of power.
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. 50 Beowulf
For room clearing and short range extreme devastation
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Rock River 16" middy with 5.56x45mm chamber and chrome-lined barrel, Eotech 516, Surefire G3 LED, BCM charging handle.
 
Boring...

High Standard M-4gery .223
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Not a rifle but a darn nice patrol pistol RR lower with YHM 11" upper .223
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Not so boring...

Kel Tec RFB in .308
Short to medium range, lots of power.
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. 50 Beowulf
For room clearing and short range extreme devastation
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it fascinates me where guy want an AR with a 10 inch barrel lowering the ballistics on a marginal round to begin with, screw a 10 inch muffler pipe onto it and have the length of a full size rifle anyway
 
IME/IMO the only things you need on a patrol rifle are a sling and a light, with a sling optional if using it inside a house during a building search or for home defense. Slings tend to catch on things like door knobs or chairs, and in a CQB situation gives the bad guy one more way to take your rifle away. Open sights, either A2 or BUIS, work fine. In a low light/no light situation, once you illuminate the target, you can see the sights.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
In my opinion, a BUIS is essential. Capable lighting, vertgrip and a detachable sling optional. Both rifles equipped with triggers by Wilson Combat.

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Here's mine...oriented more for open country than for close urban areas. The scope is a 2-7x Burris, and can be shot both-eyes-open pretty fast at close range. It's quite loud, but pleasant for the shooter. And I do have a white light that mounts on in the bayonet lug (as well as a bayonet, just for kicks).

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Here's mine... why do you limit it to only semi autos though? I have a great 1894 .44 mag set up as a scout rifle that I would feel just as comfortable with
 

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Personally I like the M1 battle rifle for a patrol rifle. Its a heavy hitter like my Weatherby Mk V and I dont need 30 rds to make my shots. I prefer longer shots because I do not need to be closer to what I am shooting at.
 
In my opinion, a BUIS is essential. Capable lighting, vertgrip and a detachable sling optional. Both rifles equipped with triggers by Wilson Combat.

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Creature - There is a pretty dramatic difference in the angle of your pistol grips. Interesting, I had assumed that all AR grips were basically the same angle.
 
Creature - There is a pretty dramatic difference in the angle of your pistol grips. Interesting, I had assumed that all AR grips were basically the same angle.

The top one looks like a MIAD. The bottom one is a BCM Gunfighter Mod 1 grip. The angle on the BCM makes the rifle much more comfortable to carry, which is done much more often than actually shooting. I've not noticed that it is more ergonomic when shooting/manipulating as the promotional material would have you believe, but it definitely reduces strain on the wrist when you're carrying the gun for extended periods. I'm slowly replacing all of my Magpul grips with Gunfighters.
 
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