Stevie-Ray
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I saw Jon Voight on Glen Beck's program a week or so ago. I didn't know he was fairly pro-gun and conservative til I saw that, but it was interesting.
Uma Thurman interview
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Guitargod1985
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You're kidding me, right?
She is quite possibly the ugliest person I've ever seen. Okay... not THE ugliest - after all, Rosie Odonell has her beat - but she's still ugly as an abortion.
Kitchen_Duty
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Well I am happy that they have their opinions but stay in California please! And far as Bill Mahr goes, god that guy gets on my nerves. He said just recently (I summarize of course) "Democrats are not going to take your guns" Well maybe that is true because they learned their lesson last time....
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I know, I work in Hollywood
I am in a lowly position so I have to choose the moments carefully if I decide to add my 2 cents. I am sometimes in editing rooms when the Powers That Be (producers) are working on one of those maddening scenes where guns are used in ways that betray the fact that someone making creative choices doesn't know doody about guns. For instance, a scene where the Bad Guy, desperate and furious, has led someone at gunpoint into a car, drives out in the middle of nowhere, forces the victim to his knees and prepares to execute him...and then the BG racks the slide. This of course means there was no round in the chamber up to this point, but it's not played as if the BG knew that -- they just think that racking the slide "cha-chik" is cool, and means the Bad Guy is now really serious. They don't understand that, up to this point, if BG had pulled the trigger, nothing would have happened. Another one is when someone whips out a Glock and you hear the sound effect of a hammer cocking. This happens more times than not.
I have held my tongue until I couldn't stand it, and then I've tried to find a gentle way to tell someone with creative decision-making power that, say, a semi-auto shotgun doesn't make that SHUK-SHUK that they associate with (pump) shotguns. They ask for a "cocking" sound, and the editorial staff scrambles to find "shotgun sfx" in an SFX (sound effects) library, and they cut it in. It makes no sense physically, but, when I've raised the issue, no one cares: the exec producer wants "a shotgun noise." When I try to clarify the mechanical reality of things, all I get is blank stares, or maybe a nervous look. Or best, a condescending reaction, because clearly I don't understand how they are using these "beats" as dramatic ratcheting-up of the tension. Yes, I'm very thick that way, you're right. And I'm sure you're right that he should take the safety off of the revolver.
One time, when I was working on a feature film at a major studio, the weaponsmaster came to the office with a collection of handguns so the director could choose which one his flashy drug dealer character would use to threaten and shoot another character. The weapons guy had this big Pelican case full of pistols, and I could hear them in the next room, working the actions, with Weapons Guy giving some background on each one ("this one's a high-end German make in a big caliber, but probably not something a guy would carry around under his clothes..." to help the director with his decision. I walked in, asked if I could look too, they said sure, and I, ever careful to stay in the background lest I annoy delicate egos, asked an informed question about two of the weapons (a chromed 92f that I assumed was a Taurus because of the bling, and an IMI Baby Eagle, which I recognized. The director said, "See, it's always the quiet ones!", meaning me, and meaning of course 'the quiet ones are the crazies who go postal and come in and execute their coworkers, etc. I laughed, but said something about making the decision to educate myself about self defense after my g.f. was in danger from a stalker. Still got the "uh-oh, he knows about guns" look. This wasn't going well. I decided it was time to bow out.
I am a liberal pro-self defense person, and I am struck by the hypocrisy of producers and writers who dislike guns but don't have an actual position on them, but also think they're cool, and, while they'd probably back an anti-gun politician or bill, they make their living writing shows where characters are constantly whipping out guns and pointing them at other persons.
It's not just Hollywood, though. I think it's a cultural thing. In certain circles, "no one" thinks guns are okay, and, with no real world exposure to them, people grow up learning that Guns are Dangerous Evil Death Machines. Much the way that people grow up in other cultures in which the consensus is that Guns Equal Freedom, and have a vague comfort with the idea of guns, or even the presence of them, if they grew up around them.
I commend Uma Thurman for her recent remarks (as reported above) -- maybe her position has become more nuanced than it was earlier. True, for her to make bank in movies like KILL BILL and to be blanket against guns is hypocritical. But maybe hanging with Quentin, who folks are saying is pro-gun, she's had to make the mental adjustment that gun owners are not all psycho hillbillies and crooks. People do change, and we should encourage that.
I think these celebs need a 1-day class with someone good who will impress upon them the seriousness and responsibility that most gun owners have, the rigor of safe handling practices, and some range time. It so often just takes a good experience where they feel they are safe and that there are legitimate law-abiding and moral reasons to keep and bear arms to turn a gun-o-phobe into a gun-o-phile who has a good time at the range and wants to go back soon.
Lets stay polite and respectful and non-crazy when getting into discussions with "antis," and maybe eventually we can get a curious person to come to the range. One person at a time is the best way to go, from the ground up, IMHO.
I am in a lowly position so I have to choose the moments carefully if I decide to add my 2 cents. I am sometimes in editing rooms when the Powers That Be (producers) are working on one of those maddening scenes where guns are used in ways that betray the fact that someone making creative choices doesn't know doody about guns. For instance, a scene where the Bad Guy, desperate and furious, has led someone at gunpoint into a car, drives out in the middle of nowhere, forces the victim to his knees and prepares to execute him...and then the BG racks the slide. This of course means there was no round in the chamber up to this point, but it's not played as if the BG knew that -- they just think that racking the slide "cha-chik" is cool, and means the Bad Guy is now really serious. They don't understand that, up to this point, if BG had pulled the trigger, nothing would have happened. Another one is when someone whips out a Glock and you hear the sound effect of a hammer cocking. This happens more times than not.
I have held my tongue until I couldn't stand it, and then I've tried to find a gentle way to tell someone with creative decision-making power that, say, a semi-auto shotgun doesn't make that SHUK-SHUK that they associate with (pump) shotguns. They ask for a "cocking" sound, and the editorial staff scrambles to find "shotgun sfx" in an SFX (sound effects) library, and they cut it in. It makes no sense physically, but, when I've raised the issue, no one cares: the exec producer wants "a shotgun noise." When I try to clarify the mechanical reality of things, all I get is blank stares, or maybe a nervous look. Or best, a condescending reaction, because clearly I don't understand how they are using these "beats" as dramatic ratcheting-up of the tension. Yes, I'm very thick that way, you're right. And I'm sure you're right that he should take the safety off of the revolver.
One time, when I was working on a feature film at a major studio, the weaponsmaster came to the office with a collection of handguns so the director could choose which one his flashy drug dealer character would use to threaten and shoot another character. The weapons guy had this big Pelican case full of pistols, and I could hear them in the next room, working the actions, with Weapons Guy giving some background on each one ("this one's a high-end German make in a big caliber, but probably not something a guy would carry around under his clothes..." to help the director with his decision. I walked in, asked if I could look too, they said sure, and I, ever careful to stay in the background lest I annoy delicate egos, asked an informed question about two of the weapons (a chromed 92f that I assumed was a Taurus because of the bling, and an IMI Baby Eagle, which I recognized. The director said, "See, it's always the quiet ones!", meaning me, and meaning of course 'the quiet ones are the crazies who go postal and come in and execute their coworkers, etc. I laughed, but said something about making the decision to educate myself about self defense after my g.f. was in danger from a stalker. Still got the "uh-oh, he knows about guns" look. This wasn't going well. I decided it was time to bow out.
I am a liberal pro-self defense person, and I am struck by the hypocrisy of producers and writers who dislike guns but don't have an actual position on them, but also think they're cool, and, while they'd probably back an anti-gun politician or bill, they make their living writing shows where characters are constantly whipping out guns and pointing them at other persons.
It's not just Hollywood, though. I think it's a cultural thing. In certain circles, "no one" thinks guns are okay, and, with no real world exposure to them, people grow up learning that Guns are Dangerous Evil Death Machines. Much the way that people grow up in other cultures in which the consensus is that Guns Equal Freedom, and have a vague comfort with the idea of guns, or even the presence of them, if they grew up around them.
I commend Uma Thurman for her recent remarks (as reported above) -- maybe her position has become more nuanced than it was earlier. True, for her to make bank in movies like KILL BILL and to be blanket against guns is hypocritical. But maybe hanging with Quentin, who folks are saying is pro-gun, she's had to make the mental adjustment that gun owners are not all psycho hillbillies and crooks. People do change, and we should encourage that.
I think these celebs need a 1-day class with someone good who will impress upon them the seriousness and responsibility that most gun owners have, the rigor of safe handling practices, and some range time. It so often just takes a good experience where they feel they are safe and that there are legitimate law-abiding and moral reasons to keep and bear arms to turn a gun-o-phobe into a gun-o-phile who has a good time at the range and wants to go back soon.
Lets stay polite and respectful and non-crazy when getting into discussions with "antis," and maybe eventually we can get a curious person to come to the range. One person at a time is the best way to go, from the ground up, IMHO.
71Commander
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I think Sandra Bernhard has that honor.
Crow1108
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Nah.
I think Hollywood actually managed to assentuate her non-hotness in Paycheck. Look at the scene where she first makes her appearance and Ben Affleck is oogling her like she is some goddess. She just looks used and abused.
jerkface11
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Bill Maher supports Ron Paul like Rush Limbaugh supports Hillary Clinton.
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