Under rated carbine "Beretta cx-4 storm"

[zx12rider]

I was cleaning my beretta cx-4 Storm 40 carbine today and was thinking that since I've owned it I have had no issues what so ever with it. I think more people should give it a chance. I have owned many pistol caliber rifles but this one has given me no issues what so ever (unlike most of them costing way more). I don't talk about this gun much but wanted to share with people what a great gun it really is. It shoots very well and no FTF FTE at all. I have owned most pistol caliber guns out there and because this one has been boringly reliable I sometime forget I own it. I do wish it was a real pistol grip but even without it is very comfortable. Does anyone else have my good luck with this gun?

 

[hags]

Hi-Point 995

 

[jonnyc]

How are they "under-rated"? I think they have an excellent rep, but are very expensive. As posted above, the Hi-Point 995 is truely cheap and under-rated. I wish I could afford the Beretta.

 

[zx12rider]

I maybe wrong

But I think a lot of people are turned of by the fact that the Beretta is not used by any government agency (ie MP-5, UZI, etc), so it is considered a range toy rather than a self defense weapon. I also hear a lot of people complain that it doesn't have a true pistol grip. I maybe off base but I don't feel people consider it a serious option for anything but a range fun gun. I don't think the hi-point is in the same class even though I wouldn't dog someone for owning one.

 

[zx12rider]

as a side note

I think highly enough of the gun that I an considering SBR'ing it and buying a supressor as my first class III gun. I wouldn't spend the money on just any gun unless I thought it was worth it. I just don't know about the 40cal and a supressor. Most are either 9mm or 45acp because of the speed. Does anyone know if it's worth supressing the 40sw?

 

[jonnyc]

The 995 is exactly the same class, except for mag capacity.
The UZI and MP5 are more popular due to the sexy "almost-an-SMG" factor. People who know guns, or have tried one, don't discount the Beretta.

 

[TCB in TN]

I love the Storm, but not the price tag.

 

[telomerase]

Does anyone know if it's worth supressing the 40sw?

If it's SBR and you use heavy bullets, it's subsonic, should be fine.

 

[Girodin]

The 995 is exactly the same class, except for mag capacity.

The 995 is in the same class in the things that matter, but it is not on par in terms of fit and finish IMO (having owned multiple hi point carbines). That said it is still my choice over the storm because of the price range. The storm doesn't justify the extra money for me. Get the ATI stock and you have a dead reliable 9mm carbine with a similar look for a fraction (Like 1/3) of the price.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

It may not be on par in fit and finish, but is on performance. I have shot the HiPoint and the Storm side by side. The Storm was mine and the HiPoint a buddy's. We even switched platforms back and forth between us at different ranges out to 100 yards. In terms of accuracy and reliability, the HiPoint is comparable. It just comes in at 25-40% of the price with less capacity and reduced fit and finish.

 

[jays67]

i have a storm in 45 acp love it never a problem and i keep it in the house for home defense
i do want a hi point thought as i think they are cool and for the money how can ya go wrong

 

[rfurtkamp]

Where the Storm failed in the market out here was the ready competition from the then-available Vector semi-auto Uzis for a hundred bucks less.

These days it's a little different but the market for a 9mm carbine is fairly limited.

For the budget-minded, the Hi-Point covered one end, and in the other, a lot of folks just plunked down an extra hundred bucks or so and bought a 9mm AR.

 

[doglb]

I owned the .45 version for a long time, always shot well and had no problems besides mag capacity. Being a left handed shooter, it was nice that you could easily swap it out to a left handed conversion.

Price/accessories were a bit steep, thats why I think it hasnt sold as well.
With adding all the goodies and picking up extra mags, you could easily have enough for a nice AR/AK setup!

 

[zx12rider]

I didn't think it was a high price

I admit I got mine used but I see the storm for the $500 range everywhere. Mine came with all the rails 4 Hi caps and a cheap sight that I tossed for $525. An AR would cost more than twice that, maybe 3 times as much.

 

[rfurtkamp]

Cheapest I've seen a Storm was $629 locally, and until Vector went under a bit ago, Uzis were $599-650.

Basic 9mm ARs can be had/built in the $725-800 range.

Should add it also faces off with the Kel-Tec Sub 2k thing, which I have no idea what they actually sell for since they never left the shelf of the one shop that had them at $329-350 for a long, long time.

 

[zx12rider]

I had the origional Keltec sub 9

I really liked that gun too but it was impractical. I did like the fact it took glock 30 round mags tho.

 

[frankd4]

Got mine cx4 in 9mm for 300.00 I shoot it at three gun matches all the time great gun, at first people gave me strange looks then when I started winning more and more started showing up, I set mine up to use the 92 mags and have eight 30 mags love the dam thing.

 

[Fred Fuller]

The advantages of the Beretta are several, and most of them IMHO have to do with the fact that it was designed as a weapon, not a plinker. It's a lot more manageable and adaptable than any other semiauto pistol caliber carbine I'm familiar with, and does what a user needs a fighting firearm to do.

Why do I say this?

Because a while back, my 80-something mom said that she couldn't manage the recoil from her cut-down 20 gauge double barrel any more, and wanted something else. So we commenced experimenting with pistol caliber carbines in 9mm, with recoil management as the primary issue. We tried a HiPoint because one was handy, just as a proof of concept. It worked OK but was too limited in magazine capacity to suit me.

So next we tried a KelTec Sub2000. Recoil was manageable, but it left a lot to be desired from the standpoint of basic manipulation. Basically, she couldn't run the bolt. So we looked further.

Next in line pricewise was the Storm. I got a decent deal on a 'new, old stock' example, bought a handful of 20-round magazines and spacers, and went to work. She couldn't run the bolt with the charging handle on the left- it was the work of a few seconds to swap it to the right side. Crossbolt safety? She was accustomed to those, no problem there. Iron sights were an issue, she wasn't accustomed to aperture sights, but there was a Trijicon Reflex in the parts box- and she liked it. A TLR-2 on the bottom rail with the laser zeroed at 50 yards and she was all set.

My mom is a typical little old church lady, but she really likes to lock the Storm in under her right arm, put the red dot on a cardboard target that's iluminated with the white light from the TLR-2, and run a magazine into it. And she can hit from the shoulder using the Reflex sight too, out to 50 yards anyway. The Storm works for her, and I feel a lot better with her having it, and enjoying practice with it.

Only problem is my wife wants one too, but she's willing to admit she doesn't need one as long as she can handle her shotgun or AR carbine.

lpl

 

[TonyDedo]

I've never found the Storm to be that expensive - I see them used in the $500 ball park all the time. My girlfriend got hers for $495 with all the bells & whistles, including a bad ass looking muzzle shroud. Compare that to $1200 for an Uzi or $1500 for a USC, and I think the Storm is a damn good deal.

I'm always amazed at how accurate the thing is. I commonly shoot near-one-hole groups at 25 yards without a bench or rest. Even the new shooters I take to the range can put 'em all in the black at that range. And I can't remember it ever jamming on me.

So +1 for an underrated gun!

 

[Speedo66]

Rfurtkamp wrote Re: Kel-tec Sub 2000s "I have no idea what they go for since they never left the shelf of the one shop that had them at $329-350 for a long long time".

There are a lot of people over at KTOG.org (Kel-Tec Owners Group) who would love to know where that shop was. Sub 2Ks are in high demand and are extremely difficult to find at this point.

I recently got a Glock version in 9mm and love it. The Storm seems like a nice gun, but I liked the features of the Sub2K.

The Sub2K with it's ability to fold, and fit into say a soft laptop case, is special as far as I'm concerned. It's reliable, accurate, light (4 lbs), and inexpensive (paid $299 new). The ability to take just about any Glock mag (including Glock18 33 rds.)was a huge plus. They also come in versions to take Sig, Beretta, S&W, and other mags, 9mm or .40.

Is the Storm worth 2 Sub2Ks? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.

 

[rfurtkamp]

There are a lot of people over at KTOG.org (Kel-Tec Owners Group) who would love to know where that shop was. Sub 2Ks are in high demand and are extremely difficult to find at this point

I'll see if the shop still has them next time I'm out that way, when I worked there the interest in them was literally zero no matter how bad we tried to give them away.

Is the Storm worth 2 Sub2Ks? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.

I don't think it is personally, but the lack of realistic optic-mounting options on the Sub hurts a lot.

Then again, I'm the person who pays what a Kel-tec costs buying 5 magazines or minor accessories for my MP5-PDW clone that would have bought 10 Subs after stamp and barebones accessories.

 

[Will Fennell]

Wife like the storm

Lee,
My experience is similar, but with my wife. The wife is a very experience shotgunner, but with her Beretta 682 O/U sportingclay gun. She is learning defensive shooting with handguns, but we both wanted something to keep in the bedroom that mounted a light.

One day @ a sportingclay tournament, the Beretta Rep was letting everyone try his samples, and I noticed he had a Storm Carbine in his vehicle. I grabbed a box of 9mm ball out of my truck, and took my wife and the Carbine over to a 50 yard handgun range. A couple of minutes explaining apeture sights, and she was ringing the gong @ 50 nearly every shot. She lifted her head off the stock towards the end of the first mag, and told me that I could get her "one of these" ASAP.

She now has her Storm with a Surefire attached and a 20 rnd mag full of WW Ranger 127gr +p+ by the bed. Better yet, she looks forward to chances to practice with it . She has confidence in her abilities with the gun, and that is probally the most important factor. Lightweight, low recoil, low noise[when compared to AR15's, and high mag capacity add up to a very useful addition to the arsenal......and a lotta fun