Beretta CX-4 Storms now available! Less than $500!!!

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It's starting to grow on me.

Do I need one? No.

Would it be cool to have one? Sure. (even cooler if BHP mags were used.. that would match my competition gun)

Not as powerful as an M-1 Carbine, spacey looking, but the full sized stock is a good thing...

I'm torn.
 
Are they PRK legal?
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Unfortunately, no. Gun is too dangerous for California residents. May poke someone in the eye.


Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but the post is bogus. Due to issues with BATFE, rifle production was delayed. New projected release date is mid to late July. Price is bogus too. That is unless dealer likes to lose money. Dealer cost is going to be about $498. Dealers that pay their bills on time gets 2 points off and if purchased preseason another couple of points for anticipation. Distributors only work on seven points on firearms sales. No dealer will purchase this product direct from Beretta because its a distributor only item. Which means that the product is not a stocking dealer only item and any dealer can participate. No one gets better pricing! Beretta gives Reps twenty points off their samples. Want cheaper? Make a rep your best friend!
 
for all the RKBA testimony and street theater i have expensed over the last few years, i think Beretta owes me a few points off
:)
me wonders what issues the BATF has with the gun

i hope its not the ability to use olde magazines...
 
Robert -- do "point" = "percentage points"?
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Yes.

Not much money in guns. Average retailer only marks new guns ten percent. Can't think of many businesses that can make it with those small margins.

Money in this business is in ammunition, accessories and above all, used guns (trades!).
 
Is this thing made in the US? I ask because similar guns, like the SL8, had to be made so the wouldn't take preban mags.
 
http://www.willsgunshop.com/
SPECIAL NEW PRODUCT ANNOUNCEMENT

We have just received word that the new Beretta CX4 Storm Carbine will be available before the end of summer!

The Beretta CX4 Storm Carbine is one of the most highly anticipated firearm products of 2003. Designed to meet the needs of law enforcement, the new CX4 Storm is also excellent for sport and home defense.

It's features include:

- Fixed barrel design

- Long sight radius

- Cold hammer forged 16.6" chrome lined barrel

- Light and Compact (5-3/4 LBS, 29.7 IN overall)

- Simple, rugged and reliable semi-automatic blowback design

- Capable of tool-less field stripping

- Easily reversible cross-bolt safety, magazine button and bolt-handle

- Switchable ejection from right to left and back without tools

- Available in 3 different calibers: 9MM, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP

Due to the high demand of this firearm, we will be accepting pre-orders at our special price for a limited time only! At just $575.00, you'll be saving $100.00 off of the regular sale price.

MODELS AVAILABLE

The CX4 Storm is available in 5 configurations with 3 different calibers. The configurations vary by the type of magazine it can accept, the caliber, and thus cartridge capacity.

Configuration 1:
The first configuration is available in 9MM and accepts Beretta 92 series magazines, with a capacity of 10+1.

Configuration 2:
The second configuration is also available in 9MM, but accepts Beretta 8000 Cougar series magazines instead, with a capacity of 10+1.


Configuration 3:
This configuration uses the 40 S&W caliber and accepts Beretta 96 series magazines, also in 10+1 capacity.


Configuration 4:
Configuration 4 is the same as the above in caliber (40 S&W) and capacity (10+1), but accepts Beretta 8040 Cougar series magazines instead.


Configuration 5:
As the only configuration to use 45 Auto ammunition, it accepts 8045 series magazines with only an 8+1 capacity.
 
Not much money in guns. Average retailer only marks new guns ten percent.
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Tell that to the dealers in my area!

They tell me they get Glocks for $390 (last I checked), but sell them for $600. I'd say that was a bit over 10%

Good Shooting
Red
 
So the "dealer with CX4s at less than $500" is bogus. OK, I can accept that (dangit)

From the info above, it appears that the 45 version will only accept magazines with an 8 round capacity? What kind of crap is that? That doesn't even allow you to compete in 3-gun carbine events where 10 shots are required.

Anyone make higher cap 8045 mags of greater than 8 rounds?
 
Okay with all of that said does this mean it does or does not accept 92FS 15 rounders?

Is this thing made in the US? I ask because similar guns, like the SL8, had to be made so the wouldn't take preban mags.
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As I remember the Ruger carbine's accepted high cap mags and they were made in the US.
 
An Mp5 for us poor civies, i want one!!!!!


f it can take a 10 round 92FS mag it should be able to take any other hi cap that would fit a 92FS, But it may come with a big warning stamped on the reciever that says :

"It is a Violation of Federal Law to use a magazine that holds more than 10 rounds in this rifle"

:barf: :fire: :barf:
 
its a double seamer:
carabina-4.jpg

hopefully this is a pre-production fit and finish


but it has been designed to use full cap magazines:
http://translate.google.com/transla...orm&start=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&sa=N

With a clear commercial vision, to facilitate the introduction in the police and military markets, this carbine feeds, since already there are saying, with the shippers standard on the Beretta pistols on range Full Size, facilitating with it the logistics of the buying potential.
The carbine Cx4 Storm
 
With a clear commercial vision, to facilitate the introduction in the police and military markets, this carbine feeds, since already there are saying, with the shippers standard on the Beretta pistols on range Full Size, facilitating with it the logistics of the buying potential.
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You know, I was just thinking the same thing...

It'd be a big help, as I often sit around facilitating the logistics of the buying potential. Or something. :D
 
With a clear commercial vision, to facilitate the introduction in the police and military markets, this carbine feeds, since already there are saying, with the shippers standard on the Beretta pistols on range Full Size, facilitating with it the logistics of the buying potential.
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I know the words are in English but for the life of me I cannot follow that sentence. :confused:
 
Firestar

Are you saying that a .223 doesn't penetrate as much as 9mm or a .40 or a .45?

Where do you come by that info? Why don't you put a stack of phone books in a box and shoot it with a AR carbine chambered in .223 and then shoot a MP5 with 9mm and see which penetrates more? I have my guess.

Also, why don't you keep the 30 round mags in the carbine in case you need them? They don't stick out that much more than the 20 round mags.
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http://www.olyarms.com/223pen.html Yup, .223 is less of a overpenetration concern than 9mm. fackler, the FBI and a bunch of others have confirmed this.

A lot of folk prefer a 20 round mag because it's easier to shoot prone with one rather than the longer 30 rounder.
 
better yet

its castillian Spanish translated into English from Italian press releases!

Shipper = magazine:
The result is a universal weapon, very functional and operative.
It is so the bet of this Italian company/signature in her who already has predicted a military tactical version with selector of shot extended - with burst limited of three firings and equipped with a butt by telescope, in addition to a greater capacity of shipper.
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can you say 3 round burst and telescoping stock?
 
Are you saying that a .223 doesn't penetrate as much as 9mm or a .40 or a .45?

Where do you come by that info? Why don't you put a stack of phone books in a box and shoot it with a AR carbine chambered in .223 and then shoot a MP5 with 9mm and see which penetrates more? I have my guess.

Also, why don't you keep the 30 round mags in the carbine in case you need them? They don't stick out that much more than the 20 round mags.
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The 9mm bullet travels farther as the data I am about to post will show. As for the 20 round mags they fit in soft case I carry my M$ in without snagging. The 30 round mags snag. I tried using a 30 in the case but it was a no go.
PAT

Here is the info.

The Call-Out Bag
by Gunsite Training Center Staff
A Comparison of .223 Penetration vs. Handgun CalibersThe .223 shoulder-fired weapon systems (e.g., AUG, CAR) have received some recent interest as indoor tactical weapons for special operations teams. increased power, longer effective distances, and greater tactical flexibility have been cited as positive factors of the .223 systems over 9me SMG-type weapon systems. Other authors (Fackler, et all) have postulated greater capa-bility for tissue damage and incapacitation of the .223 rifle cartridge over the 9mm projectile fired from handguns or SMGs. Negative considerations for the indoor use of the .223 weapon systems focus on over-penetration of projectiles and possible subsequent liability. Our effort was made to compare the penetration characteristics of various .223 bullets to various handgun bullets fired into test barriers representing indoor and outdoor building walls. We felt that the following test might mimic shots fired from inside a building, through the internal rooms, out the exterior wall, and into another similar building nearby. A comparison of wall penetration effects by a variety of handgun calibers versus the effects of .223 FMJ ball, .223 SP, and .223 HP, under these same conditions, was expected to substantiate other findings reported or provide new information to those interested in this area of ballistics. Two interior test walls were constructed using a wood 2x4 frame with standard drywall board attached to both sides. Two exterior test walls were made using wooden frames with drywall board attached to one side and exterior grade T1-11 wooden siding attached on the other (exterior) side. R-19 fiberglass insulation batting (Dow Coming) was stapled inside the two exterior test wails. To maintain test medium consistency, no wooden cross beams, electrical fixtures, conduits, or electrical wiring were placed in any of the test walls. The test walls were placed in the following sequence to mimic shots fired from. inside a building, through two internal rooms, out the building, and into another similarly constructed building: A. Interior wall #1 was placed 8 feet from the shooting position. B. Interior wail #2 was placed 8 feet beyond interior wall #1. C. Exterior wall #1 was placed 8 feet beyond interior wail #2. (Exteri-or side facing away from the shooter.) D. Exterior wall #2 was placed 15 feet beyond exterior wall #1. (Exterior side facing toward the shooter.) All calibers tested were fired from a position 8 feet in front of interior wall #l, so the bullet trajectory would travel in sequence through each of the succeeding test walls. Each caliber tested was chronographed and all firing results were videotaped for archive files. The following results were obtained: 1. All handgun calibers exited exterior wall #1. This means they exited the "house" after passing through two interior "rooms," then entered another "house" to impact into the berm. The handgun caliber which demonstrated the least penetration was .22 LR Lightning. 2. The only calibers which did NOT exit the "house" were .223 (5.56) soft point and hollow point loaded bullets. 3. All projectiles demonstrated directional changes in their trajectory after passing through the first interior wall. The greatest directional changes (10 inches+ yaw) were shown by 9mm and .40 S&W projectiles. 4. Directional changes in bullet trajectory appeared to increase in magnitude with each test wall the projectile passed through. The penetration characteristics of projectiles have long been believed to be primarily determined by a relationship of bullet mass, bullet shape, bullet velocity, and bullet construction. The penetration differences of .223 soft point and hollow point projectiles versus the effects from .223 full metal jacket may be due to differences in bullet construction. The differential effects on penetration due to bullet construction shown with the .223 are different and appear greater in magnitude than those encountered when handgun bullet construction is modified. Since .223 projectile velocities are threefold greater than those of handgun projectiles, the increased magnitude of bullet velocity might account for the differences in bullet trajectory and penetration distance. The deviated trajectory of hollow point handgun projectiles was also greater than the deviation found with full metal jacketed handgun bullets; again, possibly due to contact point deformation. The preceding study more than ever identifies the need for a personal emphasis of marksmanship and tactical fundamentals. The shooter is responsible for the bullets that go downrange. Practice, be aware, manage your trigger, and watch your front sight! Many thanks to Jack Furr, Ron Benson, Pete Wright, and Seth NadeI, U.S. Customs, for conducting and reporting this test.
.22 LR 40 gr Lightning 899 fps Captured in exterior wall #2
9mm 147gr Win JHP 948 fps Captured in exterior wall #2
9mm 147 gr Win JHP 1004 fps Exited exterior wall #2
.40 S&W 180 gr FMJ 941 fps Exited exterior wall #2
.40 S&W 180 gr Black Talon JHP 981 fps Exited exterior wall #2
.45 ACP 230 gr Win FMJ ball 867 fps Captured in exterior wall #2
.45 ACP 230 gr HydraShok JHP 851 fps Exited exterior wall #2
.223 (5.56) 55 gr Fed FMJ ball 2956 fps Exited exterior wall #2
.223 (5.56) 55 gr Rem SP 3019 fps Captured in exterior wall #2
.223 (5.56) 55 gr Fed JHP 3012 fps Captured in exterior wall #2





ALL OF THE INFORMATION IN THIS ARTICLE IS BASED UPON THE PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY BE USING SPECIAL TOOLS, PRODUCTS, EQUIPMENT AND COMPONENTS UNDER PARTICULAR CONDITIONS AND CIRCUMSTANCES, SOME OR ALL OF WHICH MAY NOT BE REPORTED, NOR OTHERWISE VERIFIED IN THIS ARTICLE. NOTHING HEREIN IS INTENDED TO CONSTITUTE A MANUAL FOR THE USE OF ANY PRODUCT OR THE CARRYING OUT OF ANY PROCEDURE OR PROCESS. THE WRITERS, EDITORS, AND PUBLISHERS OF THIS ARTICLE ACCEPT NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY LIABILITY, INJURIES OR DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF ANY PERSON’S ATTEMPT TO RELY UPON ANY INFORMATION CONTAINED HEREIN.
.223/5.56 Penetration Tests vs.
.40 S&W and 12 ga. Slug
Overview The research on the penetration of .223 ammunition has been completed. In an effort to make research more meaningful, testing consisted of handgun and shotgun ammunition in the same testing medium. The final results were that the .223 demonstrated less penetration capability than the 12 gauge slug and the .40S&W [handgun round]. Testing Medium Type 250A Ordnance Gelatin was cast into blocks, 6"x6"x16". The process used is that which is recommended by Col. M. Fackler, Director of the US Army Wound Ballistics Laboratory. This is a 10% mixture, 1Kg of gelatin to 9000ml of H2O. This type of gelatin accurately simulates human body tissue in terms of bullet penetration. A small piece of wall was constructed to duplicate the standard exterior walls found in [the Pacific Northwest] area. This piece of wall was sheeted with ½" wafer board, covered with a 2nd piece of ½" wafer board to simulate siding. This wall was built using a 2x4 frame and finished on the inside with ½" sheet rock. The interior [of the wall] was lined with fiberglass insulation. Weapons Used CAR-15, cal .223 Rem./5.56x45mm with a 16" barrel. Glock M22, cal .40S&W. Remington 870, 12 ga. Ammunition Used Federal .223 Remington, 55 grain HP. Winchester .40S&W, 180 grain HP. Federal 12 ga., 2 ¾", rifled slug. Procedure All rounds were fired from a distance of 12 feet. After each round was fired, its penetration was recorded and bullet performance noted. After a bullet was fired into the [bare] gelatin, another bullet of the same type was fired through the section of wall and into the gelatin. This was done in order to determine its penetration potential in the event a stray round were to hit the wall of a building. Results Caliber Testing medium Penetration Condition of bullet
.223 Rem. gelatin only 9.5" two pieces
.223 Rem. wall & gelatin 5.5" * fragmented
.40S&W gelatin only 13.5" mushroomed
.40S&W wall & gelatin 22" * no deformation
.40S&W wall & gelatin 22" * no deformation
.40S&W† wall & gelatin 19.5" * slight deformation
12 ga. wall & gelatin 27.5" mushroomed
* these measurements do not include penetration of the 6" wall. † CCI Gold Dot. Summary The 55 grain HP .223 has less penetration than any of the other ammunition tested. Based on the results of this testing, there appears to be no basis for concern regarding the overpenetration of the .223 [HP] round. In fact, it seems even safer in this regard than .40 S&W handgun ammunition. The hollow point cavity in the .40S&W round filled with material when shot through the wall. This caused [these bullets] to fail to expand when they entered the gelatin. As a result, they penetrated 8.5" farther than when shot directly into the gelatin. When the .223 [HP] was shot through he wall it began to fragment and as a result penetrated the gelatin only 5.5". Because the .223 [HP] begins to break up on impact, it has less potential for damage or injury than the 12 ga. in the event of a ricochet. The .223 [HP] is obviously safer in an urban environment than the 12 ga. with slugs or buckshot. Additional testing conducted proved that the .223 would penetrate a car door or glass. The .223 rounds fired into windshields began to break up after entering the glass and did not retain much energy. In most cases these rounds split in two.
 
I don't think anybody here is buying their rifle/carbine for a "tactical team".

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I understand that. But why buy a firearm with less stopping power, range and with more penetration risk. I just see little to no benefit from owning one. I had a Marlin Camp Carbine I got for a song but sold for the same. It was fun but in the end I could not justify it. I could not hunt with it. For defense it was a poor choice when a 12 gauge shotgun is avaiblable. Its is definately behind the power curve when compared to the 223. The funny thing is that you mentioned tactical team. It seems that I have seem all sorts of tactical black stuff hung from this carbine in the various gun rag articles.

George. While the stopping power debate will go on long after we are both dead. What is not usually argued is the supperior stopping power of rifles to handguns. Not many people would take up the position that a good pistol caliber is even in the same ball park as the 223. But were all entitled to our opinions and we all can spend our money how we chose. Have fun with your Storm. I still left with the lingering question of why?
PAT
 
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