Deltaboy1984
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When my daughter was Little we got some of these nonsense from her doctor. I threw it in the trash and on their parent questionnaire I wrote on the gun line NA .
Unsafe for children to be in homes with guns...
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My kids have been around guns since they were born. When they were younger it was nothing for them to see 6-10 guns in the living room as I was cleaning them. They simply accepted them and we had plenty of discussions about how to handle them.
Guns can certainly be dangerous. Loaded guns that are within reach of a child CAN be dangerous especially if the child is unfamiliar with firearms. Let's face it kids are curious and a child from a home that doesn't have firearms is going to be curious about them. If he picks one up to "look" at it then bad things can happen. It's all about safety. Leaving loaded guns where a child can get to them is dangerous. Leaving knives where a child can get to them is dangerous. Leaving Tylenol where a child can get at it is dangerous. The only time we ever had an emergency at my home was when my daughter got into a bottle of Aleve and put about 10 in her mouth. We took her to the ER but there was no way to know if she swallowed any so we just watched her. We DID NOT remove all medicines from our home but we made sure we didn't leave it out anymore.
Check out some websites about hot dogs. There are groups that advocate getting rid of hot dogs because of the choking hazards. The American Academy of Pediatrics considers hot dogs to be a "dangerous child killer". There are many schools that don't allow a kid to bring a peanut butter sandwich to school because some other kid MAY have an allergy to nuts. We live in a world that is becoming scared of it's own shadow. The last I read I think that choking on a hot dog accounted for about 10 deaths per year in the USA. 10 deaths in a population of 300 million is not statistically significant. For nut allergies that number is about 37 in the entire population of 300 million.
The point is that there will always be a group somewhere that opposes everything you and I do on a daily basis and they will normally get some "airtime" through some media outlet. Talk to the doctor face to face. If he can't/won't change his attitude then simply tell him you will find another doctor. Or accept that you disagree and keep using him if you like him otherwise.
Guns can certainly be dangerous. Loaded guns that are within reach of a child CAN be dangerous especially if the child is unfamiliar with firearms. Let's face it kids are curious and a child from a home that doesn't have firearms is going to be curious about them. If he picks one up to "look" at it then bad things can happen. It's all about safety. Leaving loaded guns where a child can get to them is dangerous. Leaving knives where a child can get to them is dangerous. Leaving Tylenol where a child can get at it is dangerous. The only time we ever had an emergency at my home was when my daughter got into a bottle of Aleve and put about 10 in her mouth. We took her to the ER but there was no way to know if she swallowed any so we just watched her. We DID NOT remove all medicines from our home but we made sure we didn't leave it out anymore.
Check out some websites about hot dogs. There are groups that advocate getting rid of hot dogs because of the choking hazards. The American Academy of Pediatrics considers hot dogs to be a "dangerous child killer". There are many schools that don't allow a kid to bring a peanut butter sandwich to school because some other kid MAY have an allergy to nuts. We live in a world that is becoming scared of it's own shadow. The last I read I think that choking on a hot dog accounted for about 10 deaths per year in the USA. 10 deaths in a population of 300 million is not statistically significant. For nut allergies that number is about 37 in the entire population of 300 million.
The point is that there will always be a group somewhere that opposes everything you and I do on a daily basis and they will normally get some "airtime" through some media outlet. Talk to the doctor face to face. If he can't/won't change his attitude then simply tell him you will find another doctor. Or accept that you disagree and keep using him if you like him otherwise.
FiveInADime
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I have a half-brother that is five and has the most serious level of a deadly peanut allergy. My stepmom decided to home school him rather than ask the small public school in their rural community to try and accommodate him. He is very sharp and I think he would be fine in school but when it's your child the fear of a deadly mistake is your WORST fear.
My dad and stepmother agree that it is their situation to handle and refuse to saddle the school and the children in it with the responsibility of keeping him safe.
^^I know that's a tough situation and I can understand both sides of the argument. Why should your brother be subjected to even the slightest possibility of being exposed to a deadly allergen in a school where he is FORCED to go every day?
I applaud the family for taking the responsibility for their child's safety.
BTW Homeschooling will probably be the best thing that ever happens to him.
I applaud the family for taking the responsibility for their child's safety.
BTW Homeschooling will probably be the best thing that ever happens to him.
Ours tried making a 3 foot pool into a big swirly. It collapsed and filled the basement. Didn't kill them. Their mother nearly did, tho.
In the day, I not only got to light fireworks, we could buy them for $1.50 a gross, and with a paycheck, you could buy a dozen gross. So, off to the abandoned mining waste piles of gravel where we would host battles on the 4th of July shooting them at each other and the various drunks, celebrants, and funtimers. It was literally a blast. Roman candles were used as artillery and flaming cones were hand grenades.
Today's generations of safety mavens need to step back and take a deep breath. What we lack are fathers to help supervise this kind of thing, so, our children got to light their own fireworks, and they also got to swim in the pool with supervision (except that one time. . . )
Doctor's see a lot of what can go wrong, we no longer have many fathers in the home, and the Doctor's "Union" feels responsible to make up the difference.
Who's fault is that?
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Yes, I agree but maybe not for every child. My stepmom has the skill set and intelligence to educate her children beyond what the public school could provide and leave out the indoctrination that public school students receive in certain areas.
I plan to take my child's education into my own hands regardless of where he goes to school. Parents are their children's biggest influence only if they choose to be, in my experience.
When I started in Foster Care, they asked us about guns in the house. After showing that they were locked and cared for, they had no concerns with them. They had more concerns with the fact that I was reloading because of the risk of accidental exposure to lead. I showed how I kept that locked too and there were no more concerns. If you are responsible with your firearms, lead exposure is probably a bigger concern for little ones than guns.
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tlynch
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This is no joke. Not specific to children, but medical mistakes kill 200,000-400,000 people per year. And for additional irony, here is a link to some reporting from NPR on the topic, citing a Journal of Patient Safety article. Apparently, only heart disease and cancer kill more Americans than health care professionals.
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Tom
Backpacker33
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Our former family doctor, now having left the field due to O'bamacare, was given that questionnaire to perpetrate upon his patients. To his credit, he pointed it out and advised me not to answer it. I didn't
redbullitt
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I was pretty worried when my S and W tried to get up and do some shooting while I was asleep. Glad the internal lock kept it in check until got up for work.
In all seriousness this seems to be a very common trend in the medical and even dental fields. Birds of a feather I suppose… but it is quite aggravating that people are putting things like this out there constantly. I cringe when I think of how many people rhetoric like this reaches and they think hmmm plausible. I better take up knitting with safety needles or something.
In all seriousness this seems to be a very common trend in the medical and even dental fields. Birds of a feather I suppose… but it is quite aggravating that people are putting things like this out there constantly. I cringe when I think of how many people rhetoric like this reaches and they think hmmm plausible. I better take up knitting with safety needles or something.
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Seems like people mention those things to, and more often than firearms.
There is not a huge anti-gun conspiracy among doctors. Ppl who have an interest in preventing injuries to children want to advise ppl of potential risk factors. Guns are one (of many) risk factors.
Look through these. Every one of them mentions falls, fire, drowning, and poisoning. A few mention firearms. It is one of many risk factors ppl should be aware of, nothing more, nothing less. Obviously an individual Dr. may have a personal bias, but on the whole, they are just putting out information to provide information.
http://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/at-home/pages/Home-Safety-Heres-How.aspx
http://www.whattoexpect.com/nursery-decorating/childproofing-basics.aspx
http://www.parents.com/toddlers-pre...s-to-make-your-house-healthy-and-safe/?page=1
http://www.babycenter.com/0_childproofing-around-the-house_460.bc?showAll=true
http://www.ghc.org/healthAndWellnes...ellness/children/parentingChild/homeSafe.html
zonzin
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Bring 2 beautiful daughters into the world, check.
Backyard swimming pool, check.
Several guns in the house, check
Trampoline in the back yard, check.
Raise them responsibly, check.
Both daughters are excellent shots, check.
Both daughters are excellent swimmers check.
Just sayin'.
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Backyard swimming pool, check.
Several guns in the house, check
Trampoline in the back yard, check.
Raise them responsibly, check.
Both daughters are excellent shots, check.
Both daughters are excellent swimmers check.
Just sayin'.
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I'm a worrier, but I feel confident enough that my daughter is safer with a gun in the house than not.
She's 3 and a half and has just started to figure out what a gun is and what it is for...kinda. She found a gun shaped controller for our old Nintendo Wii and runs around "squirting" you. She pretends it's a water gun. We haven't had any of those, so I dunno where she learned that, but it's not like I'm sheltering her from water guns...just never much use for them around the house until she was old enough to play with one
Recently, I had a good long talk with her, well as much of a long talk as you can have with a 3 year old. I told her that it was fine to play with pretend guns (the Wii gun is white plastic with bits of blue), but I told her that real guns are very, very serious business. That she was NEVER to touch a real gun be it at our house or at a friends. I asked her what she should do, "Don't touch it. Go get daddy."
I keep every gun in my house locked up. Only two are loaded at any time. One rides in a Nano Vault in my truck. The other in an electronic bedside safe. All of my ammo and spare magazines are locked up away from my guns themselves. Those weapons are not for HD duty and are for recreation. She knows not to ever, ever touch the safe or anything else without me being with her. Actually, the room the guns are in is my "Man Cave". NO ONE is supposed to be in there BUT me
So I tested her out a couple weeks ago. We were getting ready for me to take her to daycare in the morning. I took the cylinder out of my already unloaded black powder revolver and put it on the floor by her shoes (just to make this clear: The gun in no way shape or form had any way of functioning). I called for her to go get her shoes on and waited around the corner to see what she would do when she saw it.
That little stinker stopped dead in her tracks, turned on her heels, and yelled "Daddy! Daddy! I found a gun! I can't touch it. I could get hurt, hurt, hurt and have to go to the doctor!"
We stopped and got an ice cream on the way home that evening
She's 3 and a half and has just started to figure out what a gun is and what it is for...kinda. She found a gun shaped controller for our old Nintendo Wii and runs around "squirting" you. She pretends it's a water gun. We haven't had any of those, so I dunno where she learned that, but it's not like I'm sheltering her from water guns...just never much use for them around the house until she was old enough to play with one
Recently, I had a good long talk with her, well as much of a long talk as you can have with a 3 year old. I told her that it was fine to play with pretend guns (the Wii gun is white plastic with bits of blue), but I told her that real guns are very, very serious business. That she was NEVER to touch a real gun be it at our house or at a friends. I asked her what she should do, "Don't touch it. Go get daddy."
I keep every gun in my house locked up. Only two are loaded at any time. One rides in a Nano Vault in my truck. The other in an electronic bedside safe. All of my ammo and spare magazines are locked up away from my guns themselves. Those weapons are not for HD duty and are for recreation. She knows not to ever, ever touch the safe or anything else without me being with her. Actually, the room the guns are in is my "Man Cave". NO ONE is supposed to be in there BUT me
So I tested her out a couple weeks ago. We were getting ready for me to take her to daycare in the morning. I took the cylinder out of my already unloaded black powder revolver and put it on the floor by her shoes (just to make this clear: The gun in no way shape or form had any way of functioning). I called for her to go get her shoes on and waited around the corner to see what she would do when she saw it.
That little stinker stopped dead in her tracks, turned on her heels, and yelled "Daddy! Daddy! I found a gun! I can't touch it. I could get hurt, hurt, hurt and have to go to the doctor!"
We stopped and got an ice cream on the way home that evening
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Find a new doctor.
Make sure and tell the old one why you are dropping him.
And if you want to twist the blade a little, ask him how many people doctors kill every year.
Make sure and tell the old one why you are dropping him.
And if you want to twist the blade a little, ask him how many people doctors kill every year.
It is important to take precautions when you've got young kids in the house but that doesn't mean eliminating guns from the house, it just means storing them in a safe place. Just saying "don't touch them" isn't always good enough.
Still though, I'd find a new doctor.
Still though, I'd find a new doctor.
theotherwaldo
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Doctors are far more dangerous than guns.
They're just trying to distract you and shift the blame.
They're just trying to distract you and shift the blame.
I started my niece and nephew shooting at three. My Great nephew at four. My nephew was at parties where someone had a firearm and they were showing it around. He got it first and unloaded the weapon and then put it away from the partiers.
If I had not given him firearms training at an early age undoubtably something would have happened at one of these parties.
Now to the airsoft thing....here locally some idiot pointed an airsoft at a police officers from inside his car at a carwash. The idiot was killed.
As far as this physician.....publish his pamplet and get it to those that will do something about his dissimination of misinformation.
If I had not given him firearms training at an early age undoubtably something would have happened at one of these parties.
Now to the airsoft thing....here locally some idiot pointed an airsoft at a police officers from inside his car at a carwash. The idiot was killed.
As far as this physician.....publish his pamplet and get it to those that will do something about his dissimination of misinformation.
RetiredUSNChief
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I played with toy guns, as well. Cops and Robbers, Cowboys and Indians...and yes, we pointed them at each other all the time.
Never had that problem from BB gun on, though.
Of course, I never had a problem understanding the difference between cartoon violence and real life, either.
I think we need to quit treating children (and humans in general) as somehow incapable of making the distinction between fantasy and reality. Only an extremely tiny fraction of the human population is truely incapable of this.
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my children are 3 years old and six years old
i onced recieved a similar paper from the preschool my daughter went to and i asked her teacher does it really matter to you what is in my home? she responded with yes because they are concerned with every childs saftey a state ment to which i can not object.
the other teacher in the classroom took a very different opinion. either way i told them that my firearms are out of reach {although displayed in my home} and further more my children know better than to touch any firearm unless dad hands it to them.
i began to familiarize the kids with firearms since my daughter turned 3 and about a year ago when my son turned 3. they watch me clean my weapons dissasemble them and both can name major features of my firearms as well as the difference in ammunition.
my kids are very well taught i guess you could say and the greatest thing about teaching my children everything that i possibly can about guns is this
I HAVE NOT ONCE HAD TO SCOLD MY CHILDREN FOR TOUCHING A FIREARM!!
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i onced recieved a similar paper from the preschool my daughter went to and i asked her teacher does it really matter to you what is in my home? she responded with yes because they are concerned with every childs saftey a state ment to which i can not object.
the other teacher in the classroom took a very different opinion. either way i told them that my firearms are out of reach {although displayed in my home} and further more my children know better than to touch any firearm unless dad hands it to them.
i began to familiarize the kids with firearms since my daughter turned 3 and about a year ago when my son turned 3. they watch me clean my weapons dissasemble them and both can name major features of my firearms as well as the difference in ammunition.
my kids are very well taught i guess you could say and the greatest thing about teaching my children everything that i possibly can about guns is this
I HAVE NOT ONCE HAD TO SCOLD MY CHILDREN FOR TOUCHING A FIREARM!!
NUFF SAID
CharlieDeltaJuliet
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I would also, find a new doctor. I walked out my daughters pediatricians office because they started asking about firearms, and explaining how bad they are. Crazy part is they had no signage up, and I was legally carrying one of my Sigs.
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The modern home is built from materials which turn it into an inferno within 6 minutes which doesn't matter because the toxic environment will kill within 4 from the time the fire retains momentum. Air ducts collect spores that can cause Legionares Disease. Tap water contains metals and other carcinogenic materials. The germs, bacteria, mold, spores and mildew in our carpets are breeding grounds for bacterial warfare. Older homes still have walls painted with lead and asbestos still insulates these older homes. Our medicine cabinets are full of unused (and therefore illegal) medications. A cat bite or scratch can lead to sepsis. I haven't even started with ladders, chemicals in the garage and under the sink or homes with smoke alarms that don't function due to no batteries. Motor vehicles? Don't get me started. Doctors aren't anymore, they are no more than glorified pill pushers. In conclusion, what do you call the doctor that graduated last in his class? Doctor! I rest my case.
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