Update on my Taurus Judge that blew the barrel on the first shot ....

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>>It's funny, when there's a good experience with Taurus nobody has anything to say.<<

That's because it's the first time they've ever heard this, and they're still in a state of shock!!
 
1st ever Taurus snubby....lol. I don't care who you are, that's pretty funny right there.


My Dad's Taurus (forgot the model, 6" 357) shoots very nice and has been flawless, FWIW.
 
It's funny, when there's a good experience with Taurus nobody has anything to say. But they sure come out of the wood work when the trash talking starts.

It might be because the original post was only about 20 hours old or maybe everybody was too stunned for words. Regardless, trying to draw a conclusion about Taurus quality and repair service based on a single instance of them fixing, in a timely manner, a gun that blew its barrel off on the first shot, is even more questionable than what you are implying everybody else does when they make assessments of Taurus quality and service based on multiple reports.
 
I must just have the best luck in the history of the world since I've never once, ever, had any of the rampant quality control problems that the legions of internet gun experts have had with Taurus (or other manufacturers') products; or any poor experiences with their horrendous customer service as is repeatedly mentioned on the various firearms forums.

But then again I don't shoot max pressure/power/velocity reloads that I got from a garage sale years ago, that were stored in an attic, in Nevada, in the summertime, next to a nuclear plant.

Not that that's what happened here; but the typical similarity I see between all these broken guns is "questionable reloads." There have been threads about Taurus, Ruger, S&W all going ka-boom and to me it's somewhat suspicious.

I'll probably step on toes here; but then again I guess if I needed more than 1400fps out of a handgun; I'd fire a rifle one handed rather than trying to immediately start with 2.5 grains over max listed charge on my reloads....
 
It isn't that losing a barrel would be all that bad, it's just that you wouldn't want to be at the range and have the guy shooting next to you ask, "Hey, is that your barrel laying out there?"
 
i had a 4" model 94 .22lr
bought for 200 dollars used. it had factory papers stating it was back twice before for minor things (crane once,yoke second) about 3k shots later it was feeling gritty so i took it apart to clean it, and i dont know what it is called but the pin that the hammer pivots on snapped off as soon as i took off the side plate. sent it back.....

8 months later they send a brand new one, saying it was not fixable. okay no problem i said, worth it i guess, ill just sell it for 300. well i get to checking it out and the cylinder didnt even lock! this was the third revolver ive had from taurus that was a "lemon"
took it to a gun show and sold it for 250, guy said he will send it to factory.

ill never again own a taurus, even if they have a good policy, 3 out of 3 were bad and that isnt good enough for me, 12/12 s&w and 4/4 ruger have been 100% perfect

replaced the m94 with a s&w m18
12k rounds 0 problems
 
Why is everyone seeming to be surprised a company, even Taurus, took such good care of this? The dang barrel blew clean off a brand new revolver. They better have taken good care of the problem!!

I'm happy for the OP, have fun...
 
I am glad Taurus took care of it. I have one also, I have shot a lot of different loads in it and not one problem.

I was at the range with it this weekend and shot some very surprising groups with it at 10 yards.

I tried some different loads and got a consistent 2 inch group at 10 yards with 45 Colt ammo. The Winchester slugs were about a 3 inch group. All shots in the kill zone.

Most of the people that bash the Judge, are the people that are talking from there back sides. If the actually took the time to shoot one, they would find out, for there intender use (up close protection) they work great.
 
Had problems with my 605 snub after about 150rds of .357mag
Returned it through my fave FFL, got it back about two weeks later, now it has close to 1K through it w/o a hiccup.
I'd tell someone to look into a Taurus if they didn't want to spend more money, but I'd warn them that you get what you pay for, ESPECIALLY when it comes to guns.
 
Most of the people that bash the Judge, are the people that are talking from there back sides. If the actually took the time to shoot one, they would find out, for there intender use (up close protection) they work great.

Actually those folks might have years of experience shooting and reloading and know something you don't. Any normal sized revolver made by Smith,Ruger, ot even Taurus will also shoot reliably and work great too.
 
Actually those folks might have years of experience shooting and reloading and know something you don't. Any normal sized revolver made by Smith,Ruger, ot even Taurus will also shoot reliably and work great too.

Then again, with the "expertise" shown in these posts they might JUST BE talking out of their rears, no matter how many years of "experience" they have.

"Normal sized revolver"? Like an N-framed Smith? Or an X-frame? Or a Ruger Super Redhawk?

What's that about? The Judge is no larger than an N-frame. What, exactly, does decades of re-loading experience have to do with shooting a .410 shotgun shell in a pistol?

Operators in the military Special Forces, or SWAT or HRT, or Secret Service Counter-Snipers burn through thousands of rounds per year to maintain their expertise, but re-load a grand total of zero rounds. Does that make a re-loader somehow more "experienced"?

Let's keep this in perspective. To understand what someone sees in a weapon like the Judge, you'll actually have to SHOOT ONE, yourself. While you may not agree with their assessment of the weapon system, and it's results, it's still their choice.

Many of us, myself included, need to keep reminding our opinion that it's just that, our opinion. Look at how many people had the same reasoning against the M16, and it's cartridge, or the Glock series.

The nicest part about having an opinion is, until we harden it into dogma/"fact", it can be changed without causing one any pain.

Any number of guns have lost barrels. Ruger, S&W in K,and X-frames, and even Freedom Arms all had barrel problems in the initial runs.

I own 14 Taurus handguns now. Some of them are approaching 30 years old. My experience with their warranty work was when they re-built, for free, a Model 85 CH that I shot loose with a steady diet of +P and +P+ ammo. It took 6 weeks. The rest of the revolvers and semi-autos have been trouble-free for thousands of rounds. According to many here, that would be statistically impossible :)neener:). They would be wrong.

As I pointed out earlier, I've had much worse luck with much more expensive, and recommended, guns. If one should be expecting perfection from a $500 gun, then one should be expecting even more from a $1000 gun. Sadly, that's not true. Check with the armorers at your local PD that service Glock, Sig, HK, and Beretta. You'll find that they aren't sitting around all day, playing computer games. Most gunsmith's out there aren't repairing Tauruses, but they sure are busy with more expensive brands. Perhaps, if the warranty for other makers included "lifetime status", even when the gun was "out-of-production", at a single location, we'd have a better grasp of just what the status of QC really was. :rolleyes:
 
Master Blaster
Actually those folks might have years of experience shooting and reloading and know something you don't. Any normal sized revolver made by Smith,Ruger, ot even Taurus will also shoot reliably and work great too.

Please don't try to make yourself look good on my account. I have been handgun hunting for over 26 years and shooting handguns for over 34. I reload which has nothing to do with the Taurus Judge's performance what so ever. But At lease I actually have hands on experience with the Judge, and not just blow smoke, like I have seen a lot of guys do here.

I own S&W, Ruger, Taurus, T/C, FA and a bunch of custom handguns, so I think I have a boat load of actual experience.
I don't think there is much you or anyone else here could teach me about handguns. If you don't have actual experience with a handgun, your opinion is just that an opinion, and we know about opinions.

Myself, I will rely on my actual hands on experience.
 
Taurus guns are well designed (and no they are not just S&W copies) and generally well made.

But their quality control is spotty and so is their customer service. Most of their guns work fine and owners are happy, but IMHO they just have too many lemons.

The same is true for their customer service. Most folks are happy with the result, but, again IMHO, too many have problems.

Does the lower cost make up for the problems if you "unluck out" and get a lemon? Your decision.

Jim
 
I've got a Taurus PT145 and like it so much that last weekend I bought a Taurus 627 with the 4" barrel. In my opinion, they're great guns for the money. I've had more trouble with my Beretta 92FS than I've had with my Taurus PT145.
 
IMHO if i spend around $500 on a revolver and just happen to hit a "lemon" im disshearted but not discouraged its gonna happen but if i spend $1000 or more that thing better be clockwork with an @$$ wiping feature i bought a judge 3 inch chamber just this week havent fired it yet (bad weather here) but ive looked it over in comparison with my .38 snubby smith and all seems quite right if i fire it and things go wrong ill send it back but wont get upset over it taurus (or at least my gun dealer) will make it right but...
if i get a new smith for 900+ and it takes a dump on me im gonna be PISSED i expect my investment to reflect the craftmanship its like anything else in the world you buy a car it comes in several models you dont just get a dodge truck anymore you get a dodge 1500 SXT or some other denotation all of which reflects more money and for more money i expect MORE PRODUCT if i spend an extra 3k on a truck i wanna see a tougher truck with 4x4 if i cheap out and get the base model i dont expect it to go offroad with just peg leg drive
same with firearms you buy an inexpencive model you dont expect .25 inch groups at 100yds with unlimited ammo possabilities and the gun to be impervious to even the hottest handloads
 
Dimis,

Congrats on your purchase. I'm very happy with mine, and you will likely be with yours.

UNLESS you try and use Seelier & Beloit (SP?) buckshot rounds. They are slightly bulged at the end crimp, and will not chamber in the Judge. I have had NO such problem with the Winchester 000 buck rounds.

I've also heard that the Golden Bear (all metalic) .410 buckshot loads are also a no-no, as they bulge when fired and are a b*tch to extract.

#4 shot makes a nice lead off "go the hell away" round. :evil: Will penetrate a 1" pine board at 10 feet (and thats with a 2.5" shell). Would do wonders on some BG's face, or any non-legged snake you run into.
 
yea i plan on staying away from the SB loads because i read alot of threads about the bulge of doom
i pretty much plan on using it as a fun gun so cowboy loads and birdshot 90% of the time with some speers and 000 every so often and for "defensive" purposes (thats if the ever faithful mossberg 590 runs low on ammo)
 
Owned 4 Taurus revolvers. Broke all 4 in less than 50 rounds each. Went back to S&W. I have had excellent customer service with S&W. No complaints

Konyak
 
Operators in the military Special Forces, or SWAT or HRT, or Secret Service Counter-Snipers burn through thousands of rounds per year to maintain their expertise, but re-load a grand total of zero rounds. Does that make a re-loader somehow more "experienced"?

I don't know about the reloader being more or less experienced, but I do know that Operators in the military Special Forces, or SWAT or HRT, or Secret Service Counter-Snipers that burn through thousands of rounds per year to maintain their expertise don't choose Taurus.

Hell, I burn through thousands of rounds per year. Big deal. Then again, I don't choose Taurus either.

It always scares me when a company is known to have such great customer service, like Keltec and Taurus, because so many people have to send back their guns for significant problems. The great customer service is a nice thing, certainly better than cruddy customer service, but it would be nice if they put more effort into the product in the first place.
 
I look at it like buying a cheap watch that is guaranteed for life.

If it EVER breaks, just send in $9.99 and you will receive a new watch.

$9.99 is probably the price to produce the watch in the first place.:D
 
I mentioned this in other 'Judge' threads. I nearly bought one - early in the Judge-craze - actually went into my pusher's moola in pocket for same - either length in SS. The last one was being sold! Omen? No, good luck!

The next day - at the range - a fellow appeared with a blued one. I had one of my two 625MGs in .45 Colt - so we 'swapped' for a bit. He shot my Mountain Gun, with proper Ahrends square-conversion grips, loaded with my homebrew 255gr LSWCs @880 fps - a bit warmer than his MagTech cowboy loads. He thought it kicked too much! He did drop the small rebounding plates a couple of times, at 12 yd, and commented on the nice trigger.

I shot a few cowboy loads - made a circle around one plate in the berm behind it - horrid trigger made shooting difficult - never hit the plate. Shooting at the backside of a fresh bad guy target with .410 shotshells displayed a pattern reminding me of an astronomical 'swirl galaxy' - a family of snakes could have gone unscathed. Realistically, for 'snake' shots, probably 3 yd is normal - and even CCI .38 shot loads from my 642 are deadly to them at that range. The shot was #8 & #11 - hole size/population was the difference. The local Academy Sports/Outdoors where he bought the Judge only carried them and the MagTech cowboy loads in .45 Colt.

To be blunt, I really appreciate the fellow who was buying that last Judge when I was in the pusher's lair... he saved me from making a mistake. The fellow at the range with his Judge liked it better than my 625MG - I was happier with mine, too.

Last year found me divesting myself of all handguns but S&W revolvers. It 'works for me'. I did add a .32 bottom feeder for my wife - not a KelTec, like her brother's paper-weight, but a Seecamp. I'll have decent firearms - fewer than I once did, but nicer, too. YMMV.

Stainz

PS Two more things... I shoot to reload. Reloading is so much fun, I shoot a lot more than I did - just so I can reload. Secondly, once upon a time, Ruger came out with a less-expensive, supposedly beefed up, .44 Magnum to vie for the S&W 29's 'Dirty Harry' market. That was the original Redhawk. It was known for it's barrel assembly problems, often resulting in launching the barrel upon firing. The problem was corrected, but they introduced the Super Redhawk as a new model to garner the market share, fearing bad press hurting the Redhawk .44M.
 
I don't know about the reloader being more or less experienced, but I do know that Operators in the military Special Forces, or SWAT or HRT, or Secret Service Counter-Snipers that burn through thousands of rounds per year to maintain their expertise don't choose Taurus.

Way to take things out of context. They don't shoot S&W, Remington, or just about anything that isn't ISSUED to them, either. In fact, many of these people in the services of NATO allies, shoot locally produced weapons exclusively.

Hell, I burn through thousands of rounds per year. Big deal. Then again, I don't choose Taurus either.

So what? The comment had nothing to do with what you shot. Try reading it again, and see what was actually meant. I don't choose Glock, or ANYTHING AR/M16 typed, and I also shoot thousands of rounds a year. That means absolutely nothing but that I prefer something else. It has zero reflection on the weapons.

If you were issued High Points, or Jennings, that's what you'd use. That still would have nothing to do with the weapon. Jeez, catch up.:banghead:
 
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