US abandoned plan to track cars near gun shows

[RetiredUSNChief]

In that case, what do you suggest? Again, I write my congressman about these very things. I have even gone as far as questioning him on how he would like to live under such circumstances. Lucky for me we are on the same page. We have lots of work to do. I can tell you if any such camera winds up in my neck of the woods it won't be there long. People around my parts don't like being watched openly like that.

As far as the UK having 25% of the worlds surveillance cameras, "what's your point?" Do you have any idea how many are in London alone?

I do! I do! Well...sort of. I just looked at this the other day when the subject of surveillance cameras came up. It's about a million or so. Or maybe it's only 8,000. Kinda depends on what you read.


According to The Telegraph (10 July 2013):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...ry-11-people-in-Britain-says-CCTV-survey.html

The British Security Industry Authority (BSIA) estimated there are up to 5.9 million closed-circuit television cameras in the country, including 750,000 in “sensitive locations” such as schools, hospitals and care homes.

The survey’s maximum estimate works out at one for every 11 people in the UK, although the BSIA said the most likely figure was 4.9 million cameras in total, or one for every 14 people.


Which is interesting, because I found links I looked at the other day which were a few years older (2009) and it claimed virtually the same number:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/8159141.stm

http://singularityhub.com/2009/09/0...e-fails-only-1-crime-solved-per-1000-cameras/

This comes as a major blow to the UK police who spent £500 million between 1996 and 2006 installing 4 million cameras nationwide, with 1 million in London alone.

And an even older link (2006) still claims virtually the same number:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/6108496.stm

There are up to 4.2m CCTV cameras in Britain - about one for every 14 people.


So what all this is telling me is that for the 7 year spread across these articles, the number of surveillance cameras has not increased at all. Things that make you say "hmmm...".


How accurate are these numbers? I dunno...here' are a couple links on the matter:

http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/factcheck+how+many+cctv+cameras/2291167.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...r-watches-cctv-cameras-blanket-the-uk/243356/

 

[DHJenkins]

My point on the UK camera thing was to bolster your own assertion that london is the most surveilled city in the world. Edit - granted, I read this about 5 years ago in The Guardian, The Daily Mail and The Daily Express. I figure if those papers can agree on something, it's probably true.

As far as writing your congressman, I've done that, too - and I've probably gotten the same placating, canned/intern-written responses you have.

You say cameras won't last long in your neck of the woods; well, not all of us can or want to retreat to the woods. It's very easy to preach something when you don't *have* to practice it.

 

[notaglockfanboy]

[QUOTEDon't worry DRail there are still some patriots out there, young to middle age. I don't know how many of us there are but I believe there are enough. I worry about this you get generation though!
^^^^^^ This right here!!!!!!

 

[FROGO207]

My take on this is usually by the time we mere citizens hear about something the .gov is already at least 10 levels ahead of this. That right there is MY worry.

 

[SilentStalker]

^^^then there is that!

 

[NoVA Shooter]

In somewhat related news:

http://wtop.com/virginia/2015/02/va-senate-approves-bill-limit-license-plate-reader-data/

A bill to limit how much data police collect from sources like license plate readers, and how long they can keep it, has just been approved by Virginia’s state Senate.

“LPRs are pernicious in my opinion if they are not restricted, because the bottom line is you can use that to collect information on people, and you have the ability to target where you want to collect that information. You can take that LPR to a political rally, you can take it to a movie theater, you can take it to a public gun show, you can take it where you want to decide where you’re going to look for people that have violated the law,” Petersen says.

(emphasis added)

It's nice to see that my state representatives can see the bigger picture and are working to prevent excessive intrusion.

 

[taliv]

I think we should protest nonviolently by all using The same plate number, preferably registered to Eric holder

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

^^^^

On that note...what's Diane Feinstein's plate number?