Using CCW for ID instead of your driver's license?

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As apart of my "The 2nd amendment is #2 behind free speech for a reason" and "It's not just knuckle-dragging gun-nuts with CCW's" campaign, I've started using my CCW as my primary gubment-issued ID instead of my driver's license wherever I can.

Have any of the rest of you thought of doing that- or are you more concerned that people not know you're carrying?

I think it's important that people who might be against CCW's start realizing that their conceptions of just the sort of person who would have a CCW are probably not correct on average- ie: "normal" people have CCW's, and we're not shooting people over parking spaces or being cut-off on the freeway.

Last weekend, I flew to LAX from PIT and used my CCW as ID (since I had time to burn and wanted to see what happened):
* ticket person asked if I was carrying ('course not)

* security person looked at my ticket and my ID for quite a while (much longer than normal) and I started wondering what fun I had gotten myself into. Then she said, "This isn't you... Ruth?" Looked at the ticket and somehow was given Ruth somebody's ticket to an entirely diff flight... no mention of my CCW

*came back with the right ticket, a new security person, didn't give me a 2nd look

*roughly the same reaction from people at LAX
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Douglas Country CO's CCW is a color laser-print of my picture (digital of course), my fingerprint and my signature and the sheriff's signature. Then the back and front are folder over (they were printed on the same side, now that paper's folder to make back and front), and then laminated.

Well it would take me about 10 minutes to fake a license... obv, it's no good when the cops check it, but anywhere I need a gubment-issued ID, it'd work quite well...
 
I do this sometimes. I usually use my DL when going in to bars or clubs, just because the bouncers get all suspicious and want to pat me down. I use my CCW as ID for other things like the airport or court purposes. Most people don't care that much, although I do get asked if I'm carrying in a restricted area. Answer is always "no, ma'am/sir."
 
Personally, I think it's a bad idea.

The CCW was not intended as a primary piece of identification. Plus, like the others say, why advertise?
 
Nobody's business but mine. The people who need an attitude change also are not the ones who are going to have an epiphany just because you or I do not fit their misperceptions..

Same way with law enforcement ID. I go out of my way not to show it uneccesarily.
 
I actually had to use it one time doing a bank transaction. They wanted proof of my Social Security Number, which isn't on my driver's license but used to appear on the Florida CCW.
 
I had to have two forms of picture ID once when opening a personal line of credit with my dad's banker (you'd think him vouching for me would be sufficient, but no). The only other picture I had was my Texas CHL. You would've thought I barfed on her shoes or something with the expression I got. She trotted off with it between thumb and forefinger held away from her body.

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by memorex............I've started using my CCW as my primary gubment-issued ID instead of my driver's license wherever I can.
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I am hoping to God that you mean CCL (Concealed Carry License) and not CCW (Concealed Carry Weapon).

If you do mean CCL then, IMO anyone who would even entertain doing that does not have the thought process that I (and this again is just MO) would think that the holder of a CCL should have.

by memorex........I think it's important that people who might be against CCW's start realizing that their conceptions of just the sort of person who would have a CCW are probably not correct on average- ie: "normal" people have CCW's, and we're not shooting people over parking spaces or being cut-off on the freeway.
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OH YEAH! That'll help.:banghead:

Memorex you really bring out the Freud in me.:uhoh:
 
memorex, I hope you told the "counter person" that it was none of their busines whether you were carrying or not. As if wearing a two bit company uniform gives them some special authority to stick their nose in your personal business.

Oh, by the way I would use my CHL for ID purposes if necessary. I have in the past but it's been several years since I've been asked for ID. I just loved seeing the look on their face.
 
It is just you, PAOLO721. memorex's decision sacrifices some tactical advantage for political utility.

There's a guy in Minnesota named Bruce Krafft. For exactly the same reason as memorex, he occasionally carries openly instead of concealed -- as is perfectly legal in Minnesota. Read his story at https://www.keepandbeararms.com/newsarchives/XcNewsPlus.asp?cmd=view&articleid=2795

As Bruce writes on his home page, http://home.comcast.net/~bruce.krafft/:
I continue to do so because for too long gun owners have treated their guns as something shameful, something that should be hidden. As a result people have no idea that we are out there. When I go to the grocery store carrying openly in a shoulder holster people see someone with a gun who is not using it to terrorize or victimize. So the next time some anti is spouting hate against gun owners, at least some people in my neighborhood will say "He didn't look like a camo wearing, bandoleer festooned nut job. He looked like an overweight, middle-aged guy who held the door for me and helped a little old lady get some crackers off of a high shelf."
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Hey - I hear what y'all are saying. The stealth existence is the safest. But sometimes you have to do your part to serve the greater good.

At the grocery store last night, the same one I've shopped at every week for four years, I was carrying OTB and briefly considered deliberately showing my gun while reaching for my walllet.

I had no good reason -- and I didn't -- but I thought it would be interesting to see what, if any, reaction I got.

The urge passed. But was it good sense or cowardice?
 
by Matt Payne.........It is just you, PAOLO721. memorex's decision sacrifices some tactical advantage for political utility.
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Huh? :scrutiny: Matt Payne , memorex is talking about using his Concealed Carry License (the paper thing) as his primary form of identification when conducting his daily business. He is not talking about open carry. Which is another matter all together.
 
The VA CWP is not a picture ID, and must be presented with a picture ID, so it's usseless as a primary ID. That being said, I prefer to stay off the radar in any event, the only perosn who sees mine is one who has a legitimate reson do to so. YMMV.
 
memorex is talking about using his Concealed Carry License (the paper thing) as his primary form of identification when conducting his daily business. He is not talking about open carry. Which is another matter all together.
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Showing the shooting iron or showing the CCL are two very similar ways of accomplishing the same objective: Letting folks know that we -- good guys with guns -- are out there. Not causing trouble, not knocking over liquor stores, just going about our daily lives.

memorex's method is just a little more subtle.
 
I keep mine tucked behind the DL.

Last week I was opening up a second checking account, produced the DL, SS #, yadda and the usual process starts.

Nice young lady handling the app asks "can I use your CHL for the second form of ID?"

Me: "How'd you know I had one of those?". I get nothing but a smile in response.

In retrospect, she must've caught a glimpse of the thing under the DL and recognized the "look" (couldn't read what it was in the wallet pocket), but it was good for a chuckle - and a nice reminder that I'm back in Texas.
 
I've thought about showing it to the bouncer when going into a bar, to see if they'd accept it.
As far as this tactical advantage stuff... bah. If I need a tactical advantage over the bouncer at the pub I play pool at, or the teller at my bank, then I need to have my rifle on me, not just my pistol.
 
I have to say I agree with Memorex. Because, it would be good for
someone who sees a person with a CCL as your average person, rather than a Rambo wannabe. We're no different than anyone else, we just
take more responsibility for our well-being. (Almost) everyone has that
option.
As fas as advertisement, if showing my CCL make me a target, and some fool actually thinks that, then shame on him....:D
 
I use my license for ID when I am not carrying. Too risky to use it when carrying just in case some retard wants to screw with me by informing law inforcement that they saw my CCW, even though they only really saw my license.
 
I don't consider using a CCW permit as an ID as a good idea. For me it has one purpose; to show any authorized person that I have the right to carry my handgun concealed on my person.
 
The CCW was not intended as a primary piece of identification. Plus, like the others say, why advertise?
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Why hide? If more people start seeing these, perhaps they'll ask about getting one.. more people carrying is a good thing, if more people carried it could become mainstream.

What difference does it make to the person your showing it to? You expecting them to go postal and take you out first? The fact is your weapon would still be concealed, and they still have no idea if your carrying or not.
 
I've tried using my Indiana CCL as ID when buying ammo at Wally world. Trying to buy some .223 and the manager asks to see my ID so I pull out my CCL only to be told that they can't accept that. Well, considering that you have to be 18 to get one and I was 20 at the time (21 now) it shouldn't have been a problem.
 
The CCW was not intended as a primary piece of identification. Plus, like the others say, why advertise?
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Because we're never going to change the average person's views about guns if all the responsible people hide them, and they only hear about the criminals.
 
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