USM4 ATF Approved Full Auto

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Telekinesis said:
Honestly I'm glad that people are willing to push the envelope with these pseudo-full auto trigger groups. On the other hand, I've come to the decision that I'm not going to buy one until they've been on the market for a while. I don't want to be in the position of having to surrender or destroy my gun if the ATF has a change of heart.
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I'm also glad people are doing it. Hearing incredibly fast rapid fire on the ranges more and more frequently in the last year. Get enough of that going on and it'll force the issue to a head. What are they going to do? Close the NFA again? Lol. We already lost the right. Nothing to lose.
 
It is just a regular lower with the new (as yet to hit the streets) TACCON trigger group. The trigger alone is $500. Is a 3-position selector, bump fire trigger worth $500? You be the judge, me, I'm gonna wait for user reviews, then if I want one pick it up for 1/2 price used.

Better yet, the Geissele S3G is the pinnacle of fast-short reset single stage AR triggers, is proven and is half as much. There are youtube vids of folks running the S3G what seems to be faster than that promo video.

I'm really glad this product is coming out and getting all this buzz and selling so well, I hope it does start to change how silly the NFA is and how it is viewed. Probably not though, but it is at least new and innovative.

I don't want to be in the position of having to surrender or destroy my gun if the ATF has a change of heart.
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This is a worry, but you'd be out the $500 trigger group not the whole rifle. Just throw a standard AR trigger in and get rid of the TACCON unit. Would still suck though.
 
The ATF are not idiots...

I suspect enough of these will be allowed out there with the full intention of addressing the interpretation of the regulation and the ownership of soon to be banned items.

They know exactly what they're doing and we'll be able to look back in hindsight and see the plan in mirror image.

There's a customer list I don't want to be on.

What part of - more than a single round with a single pull of the trigger - is hard to understand?

Besides, I'm not breaking banzai attacks and reloading not withstanding am not made of money either. I just passed on a freon powered BB machine gun 'cause I couldn't even be bothered with that.

Maybe I'm just a quality over quantity kinda guy.
 
You can miss just as fast as any full auto, simply by "fanning"the trigger of a semi auto., so why bother with them? Other than a belt fed on a bipod, they really don't amount to a hoot in hell. To fan the trigger, simply hold the gun at the hi-firing position, stick your weak hand's forefinger into the trigger guard. Hold that hand palm down, and just "vibrate" your hand back and forth. It will fire at about 600 rpm. Jerry Miculek has a video about him doing, on youtube. I think it's on the one where he's using a 27 rd mag in a 9mm 1911.
 
What part of - more than a single round with a single pull of the trigger - is hard to understand?
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The trigger is semi-auto, it has to be pulled each time. It is just set up such that it can be bump-fired after learning whatever the technique is. Still 1 rd per trigger pull, hence ATF letter interpreted legal (for now :uhoh:).
 
I like the trigger that uses super-awful trigger slap to reset the trigger.

Pull backwards on the trigger, and the bolt carrier slaps it back to ready, where you are still pulling... full auto :)

TacCon! Thats the company. Makes me think 'HEY I can build that...'

Sounds like a gimmicky, overpriced toy. Then there is the hundreds of dollars of wasted ammo tag attached to it.
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Word for word that's what my mom said about my first firearm.

It was a Mosin.
 
tyeo098 said:
I like the trigger that uses super-awful trigger slap to reset the trigger.

Pull backwards on the trigger, and the bolt carrier slaps it back to ready, where you are still pulling... full auto :)

TacCon! Thats the company. Makes me think 'HEY I can build that...'


Word for word that's what my mom said about my first firearm.

It was a Mosin.
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Har! A Mosin is a most noble outlay of funds. Wish I had one!

My BIL may get a double-tap out of his AR by how he is holding it and the trigger. He can't explain it. Possibly very loosely holding the AR (artillery hold, in high-powered springer air gun terms)? He is the only one who may do that. Several of us tried his AR and we couldn't duplicate the issue.
 
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Shot it today...not impressed...I was really looking forward to purchasing one of these. Not anymore. Might be a good toy, but not something I would trust my life with. And it wasn't a one off problem, as there were three that were tried.

Trigger would work then jam, rendering the weapons we had $3k batons...I'll stick with my semiauto...
 
Trigger would work then jam, rendering the weapons we had $3k batons
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Somehow that doesn't surprise me. Things moving that were never meant to move.

Even the slide fire stocks can cause jams, but tend to be only a failure to return to battery, easily corrected.

I never could see spending $300+ for any of these things, but do decide it might be fun to have something like that to waste a couple of magazines now and then. So, I built one:

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Earlier pic; I later revised my locking pin to something a little more positive, stronger and easier to manipulate.

It works fine. Still, I seldom use it. A couple times a year, a couple magazines at a time. After that, I just cringe too much at the wasted $$$.
 
ATF is not our friend.They do this deliberately.Create situations that they can later exploit.


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I think the good thing to point out is that the ATF approved it...whether or not they try to retroactively ban it, the point is that someone up there was okay with it...i think thats what we should be looking at as a positive. Maybe a few letters thanking the people responsible for doing the right thing and approving it to begin with are in order...lord only knows that's how the people that are against it are going to start trying to ban it...
 
I agree with Telekinesis and Trent in that it's good to see more folks pushing the envelope to get more folks exposed to full auto. Read an article last year (I think in Peterson's magazine but not sure) about hunting with suppressors in the US and their gaining popularity. I thought it was a good article that gave some positive and correct info the average joe hunter/shooter could read and help dispell the myths associated with them and actually showed their usefulness.
 
This is a worry, but you'd be out the $500 trigger group not the whole rifle. Just throw a standard AR trigger in and get rid of the TACCON unit. Would still suck though.
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Once a machinegun always a machinegun.
 
If by accident I receive a M1 carbine with too many M2 fire control parts (T17 or T18 field conversion kit) but replace the M2 parts with M1 semi-auto only equivalents, and get rid of the M2 parts, I am ok.

If by accident I receive a M2 carbine marked M2 by the factory, that does fall under the "once a machinegun always a machinegun" even if all M2 fire control parts are replaced with M1 semi-auto only parts.

If ATF decides this simulated full auto fire control group is a real full auto fire control group, by past precendence the FCG will be the restricted item, not the firearm it is attached to.
 
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