Standing Wolf
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Not in my house!
(VA) Police say homeowner 'scared for his life;' suspect shot 10 times
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Not in my house!
musher
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He probably asked him to leave after every shot!
Buck Snort
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Yet one more example of why one wants to use a weapon that is up to the task. If he'd shot ME with that .38 sp. I'd've been on the floor in a heartbeat. BUT, if he had to shoot some guy well over six feet tall and well over 200 LB who'd just loaded himself up with PCP, Meth., or H (or perhaps some combination of the three) then he needed something with much more stopping power. For a home defense gun the 12 ga. shotgun loaded with slugs should be up to the task.
Cesiumsponge
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Jeez, don't you watch the movies? If you shoot the badguy once and turn your back into the sunset, he WILL open his eyes. Then someone in the orchestra hits a timpani drum real loud and he'll get up, and lunge at you...which is when the screen freezes, faces to black and "to be continued..." is burned into your retinas in bold white print!
I don't see anything wrong. I wouldn't shoot someone once, evaluate the situation with a series of questions directed to said suspect to evaluate his physical incapacitation and awareness (or lack thereof), then shoot/not-shoot based on his replies until he goes down permanently.
No...I'll shoot until the guy goes down and stops twitching.
I don't see anything wrong. I wouldn't shoot someone once, evaluate the situation with a series of questions directed to said suspect to evaluate his physical incapacitation and awareness (or lack thereof), then shoot/not-shoot based on his replies until he goes down permanently.
No...I'll shoot until the guy goes down and stops twitching.
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cxm
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Hi Cap .380
The CZ 83 is .380 and holds 13+1.
Then there is the .38 Stupid auto...
Or the paper could have just been wrong...as they usually are.
FWIW
Chuck
The CZ 83 is .380 and holds 13+1.
Then there is the .38 Stupid auto...
Or the paper could have just been wrong...as they usually are.
FWIW
Chuck
10 Shots
Sounds like 10 hits was justified. The intruder was hit 10 times and lived to be transported to the hospital where he died. Some of the hits were obviously not incapacitating. Shot placement is everything but dificult to do in a crises.
Sounds like 10 hits was justified. The intruder was hit 10 times and lived to be transported to the hospital where he died. Some of the hits were obviously not incapacitating. Shot placement is everything but dificult to do in a crises.
bjbarron
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Yes, this was the interesting part for me also. How many times do we read of cop shootouts with 48 cases laying around and only the neighbors homes peppered. Recently a guy shot 14 rounds at a burglar with a Hi-Power and missed them all. Amadou Diallo got hit 19 times standing in a doorway with the cops on the stairs and sidewalk...and they shot 41 times.
Either this shooter practices a lot,is preternaturally calm, or both. Maybe he uses the advice I give my wife. You can't miss if you stick the gun against them and pull the trigger 'til its empty.
I think he should get a marksmanship medal.
Tylden
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With my shottie, I can put 8 in him with one shot 
Flyboy
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No, but if you're shooting a 1911, an extra quarter-inch of push means you can't fire at all.
LiquidTension
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I'm also interested in what type of weapon the shooter used. If he did reload, it's even more impressive than if he didn't.
jaysouth
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He had what folks in the area call a "West Virginia reload". A spare J-frame in his overalls. two j-frames = 10 rounds.
And all you folks thought that was called a NY reload.
And all you folks thought that was called a NY reload.
still ten rounds from a 38 super... shouldn't that guy be dead?
We assume that the reporter has details correct (.38, .380. 10 hits, 10 shots. etc). This would, all too often, be an incorrect assumption.
I, too, am curious about the number of shots. It would be exceptional, but by no means impossible, that someone might require 10 hits to stop. What would also be exceptional, but again not impossible, was if it was a .38 spl revolver, and there was a reload in the middle.
THAT sounds like a bad day. Hit him six times with .38 spl, and he's still a threat? Okay...I got more where that came from, buddy. Just gimmee a second...
Mike
I, too, am curious about the number of shots. It would be exceptional, but by no means impossible, that someone might require 10 hits to stop. What would also be exceptional, but again not impossible, was if it was a .38 spl revolver, and there was a reload in the middle.
THAT sounds like a bad day. Hit him six times with .38 spl, and he's still a threat? Okay...I got more where that came from, buddy. Just gimmee a second...
Mike
BriGuy1
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One poster said: "I am sure some of you train to the point of reflexive double taps, assess other threats and continue..."
Sorry, but this will get you killed. If you have to shoot, keep shooting until the threat is gone. Shoot twice, assess=give the bg time to press on their attack.
Sorry, but this will get you killed. If you have to shoot, keep shooting until the threat is gone. Shoot twice, assess=give the bg time to press on their attack.
The Viking
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SAS Officer: "Why did you shoot the terrorist 39 times?"
Soldier: "Because I ran out of ammo sir"
Soldier: "Because I ran out of ammo sir"
A couple of points:
I am not a defender of police and their "accuracy", as I too believe they are far too inaccurate for someone who is required to use it to defend a person.... but, police generally shoot outside of homes where the range might be a little greater. Just a thought.
And, it takes a body time to fall people. Just because you shoot someone doesn't mean they fall to the ground instantly. How many of you can fine 10 shots in 3 seconds? 2 seconds? 1 second? Well, it takes a body a couple of seconds to fall to the ground. Hell if the intruder is up against the wall when shot, you could empty a mag or two into the person easily before they fall to the ground. They could stumble towards you as they are dying making you feel even more endangered with that knife in their hand, etc.
I personally don't consider the person a non threat until they are on the ground and no longer moving... which means they could potentially have 10-30 holes in him or her if they take a few seconds to get to the ground or are against a wall.
Semper Fidelis,
Kent
I am not a defender of police and their "accuracy", as I too believe they are far too inaccurate for someone who is required to use it to defend a person.... but, police generally shoot outside of homes where the range might be a little greater. Just a thought.
And, it takes a body time to fall people. Just because you shoot someone doesn't mean they fall to the ground instantly. How many of you can fine 10 shots in 3 seconds? 2 seconds? 1 second? Well, it takes a body a couple of seconds to fall to the ground. Hell if the intruder is up against the wall when shot, you could empty a mag or two into the person easily before they fall to the ground. They could stumble towards you as they are dying making you feel even more endangered with that knife in their hand, etc.
I personally don't consider the person a non threat until they are on the ground and no longer moving... which means they could potentially have 10-30 holes in him or her if they take a few seconds to get to the ground or are against a wall.
Semper Fidelis,
Kent
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