Video of Johnny Hurley’s engagement of the Arvada Square Shooter

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Normally, I would not start a new thread on this topic, but rarely is video showing an armed citizen reacting, engaging, and stopping what could have easy been another mass shooting released to the public- hence the importance of doing a stand alone posting, and not buried in the other discussions.

Here is the video of Hurley's actions up to and including his engagement of the shooter on June 21, 2021 in the Olde Town section of Arvada, CO:



A few notes:

- The store he enters is Arvada Army Navy Surplus. I have shopped there a couple dozen times over the years. I do not recall if the Arvada PD Explorer in frame was the one operated by Officer Beesley, who had responded to the area as the resulted of a “disturbance”.

- From the time stamps, it looks like Hurley had barely entered the store when he and other individuals react to gunfire from outside (the execution of Officer Beesley).

- When Hurley advances into Arvada Square, the blurred area of the video is covering the body of Officer Beesley. Hurley appears to engage the shooter attempting to use the cover of a brick wall that surrounds some utility boxes.

- From my understanding, Hurley did not have any professional background in armed operations (LE, military, security, etc). In my opinion, his techniques do seem to show an individual who’s skillset is pretty advanced beyond the typical entry level carrier. Whether that was from receiving training or just personal development, I do not know. You folks may disagree on my assessment.

- To my knowledge, no footage of Hurley picking-up the shooter’s rifle or being shot by Officer Brownlow has been released. Obviously, that is highly sensitive at the current time. The angle that shows this also probably shows the shooter receiving Hurley's fire, based of my viewing of earlier footage showing Officer Beesley's death.

Your thoughts?

I would like us to focus on what is shown in the video, and not to rehash the tragedy that happened in the short timeframe after the video ends. I also understand that some of you may feel that Hurley's movements were 180 degrees off of what he "should have done"- exit off the back of the stage.
 
Your thoughts?

A couple questions; Who was the other guy who left the store with him? It appears they were together as the guy in the white shirt seems to be touching his back when they exit the store, almost like they stacked before exiting. Who did he signal to when he spotted the shooter? The guy in the white shirt?

The only thing I can find fault with is leaving the corner he engaged from and approaching the shooter. There was no reason to do that.
 
A couple questions; Who was the other guy who left the store with him? It appears they were together as the guy in the white shirt seems to be touching his back when they exit the store, almost like they stacked before exiting. Who did he signal to when he spotted the shooter? The guy in the white shirt?

Good questions. I have not seen that discussed. It does not appear that Hurley and white shirt arrived at the surplus store together.
 
I don't mean to sound crast but I'm unfamiliar with this particular incident, or at least I don't recall it.

From the video presented I see some guys entering a store, then leaving and one guy grabbing cover and engaging someone we can not see. Appears to break from cover towards the end of the video.

Anyone care to fill in those of us who aren't up to speed on the situation?
 
The only thing I can find fault with is leaving the corner he engaged from and approaching the shooter. There was no reason to do that.


That was the beginning of the end for him. He must have been sure in his mind that the bad guy was down for good.


To the OP,
My opinion of Hurley; he was fearless. Too fearless and not cautious. Especially not cautious after he put down the bad guy. We’ve been over how bad of a decision it was to pick up the bad guys rifle and continue to hold it when police arrived. I’m not criticizing anyone for bravery when needed. But complete fearlessness with no caution leads to this kind of result IMO.
 
Thanks for posting that. The defender did everything right IMO up until he left cover. Sad ending. We stress in classes, regardless of the circumstances do not have a gun in your hand when the police arrive. Or anything that could be mistaken for a gun. People have been shot holding a cell phone.
 
There are other surveillance videos that have shown the negative consequences of leaving cover, after successfully engaging bad guys with gunfire. One was posted by that ASP guy, within the past year or two, if I recall correctly. Another can be seen in a recent video posted by John Murphy. Each video showed a very brave defender, doing things so very well, but then moving away from cover/concealment, and then being shot. Unseen armed bad guys, or a fleeing armed bad guy, are serious dangers. Responding police, who have not been given a cast of characters, while en route, are a serious danger.

We should always continue to think, and continue to have 360-degree awareness, during and after a critical incident, whether we engage with gunfire, or not.

I wish that I could remember the source, in order to provide proper credit, but I recall that a totally switched-on LEO, after retirement, decided to down-grade his carry weapon to a short-barreled revolver, in order to discourage himself from getting involved in armed situations that were beyond the immediate needs of absolutely necessary self-defense. My take-away is that I understand exactly what he meant, as I retired from LEO-ing in 2018. (To be clear, however, I am not advising anyone to down-grade to toting a snub-gun.)
 
I’m no sheepdog. My gun is for the protection of my family, those under my direct charge, and then myself. Legal fees are too expensive and the prospect of jail too real for me to engage when I don’t absolutely have to. It sounds callous, but it is what it is. Others are on their own.

That’s my personal stance and not a criticism or meant to diminish the man in the video in any way.

I wouldn’t have engaged. However, he did. And Monday morning quarterbacking this action, I’d say that if one were to choose to engage in a similar situation, they may wish to remain behind cover. And having justifiably shot someone, perhaps also be mindful to place the pistol on the deck and step back upon seeing law enforcement approach. Also keep your hands up and away as not to spook officers that don’t know who you are.
 
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