Video: victim takes shotgun from robber

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I don't know if "the victim" had self-defense training, but he made this look pretty easy. :D


http://www.wwl.com/pages/16209701.php

Police say the would-be robber walked up to the wold-be victim Saturday morning just after 5:00 a.m. in the 1900 block of Burgundy Street and demanded money. The video shows the robber pointing a shotgun at the victim's face at close range.
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the victim was approached moments later by two black males in a black four door sedan. The victim told police that the driver of the car said, "give me my gun back and I’ll give you your phone that you dropped."
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Thats fight or flight. I bet the victim didn't even realize what he was doing till after he calmed down. The bad guy should get a real job. I don't think this line of work suits him.
 
A very good example of Cooper's color coded awareness scale. Look at the vic. Classic condition white. He was walking along the street at 5:00am in a so-so neighborhood and looked like he was texting (his back is to the cameras so it's tough to tell but based on the movements and body position it's what it looks like to me). So he was walking while looking down at his phone and engrossed in that activity rather than looking around him and keeping alert. When attacked he had to go from white to red instantly.
He happened to react very well and i applaud him for it, but I'd rather stay in condition yellow and avoid the position of having to react to danger by spotting and avoid such danger when possible.
 
He is very fortunate that the thug didn't have his finger any tighter on the trigger, as he had the muzzle pointed right at his skull. 19-3Ben made some great points above. Situational awareness can help prevent being snuck up from behind on. Hopefully they'll be able to i.d. the prep's car if it wasn't stolen and bust him when he tries to get the window repaired.
 
I don't agree. Snapping one's head 2" to the side and jerking the thug's gun makes sense to me. I applaud him for his sense to act quickly and decisively. Most thugs are idiots. Not to say I'd recommend the same action if the gun was 2 feet away, but it wasn't.
 
it really baffles me why robbers don't stay a few feet away, say "Put your wallet and phone on the ground and keep walking"
The whole point of a gun is to make it so you don't have to walk up to your target.

Either way, good reaction on the target's part.

the victim was approached moments later by two black males in a black four door sedan. The victim told police that the driver of the car said, "give me my gun back and I’ll give you your phone that you dropped."
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Love that. My reaction would be *chuck-chuck* "How 'bout you give me the phone and I keep the shotgun."
 
Sad thing is, in Massachusetts or NYC the victim would probably be prosecuted for illegal firearms possession simply because they temporarily possessed the criminal's gun.
 
Sad thing is, in Massachusetts or NYC the victim would probably be prosecuted for illegal firearms possession simply because they temporarily possessed the criminal's gun.
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hey now.....dont be lumping us in with NYC.......95% of MA isnt that bad.....
 
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Sad thing is, in Massachusetts or NYC the victim would probably be prosecuted for illegal firearms possession simply because they temporarily possessed the criminal's gun.
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Aww come now, let's be serious here. IDK about Massachusetts, but NYC thankfully hasn't gotten THAT bad yet. There have been a few cases (I heard of atleast, can't really find sources ATM) where a person used an unregistered gun in self defense. A completely law abiding citizen except they had a gun they weren't "supposed" to have.
All that happened is the gun was taken away, no charges pressed.
 
^ If I recall correctly, the NY Sullivan Law actually has an exemption for a crime victim who temporarily takes possession of an attacker's weapon and defends themself with it.

You know, the antis like to claim if you try to use a gun for self defense, the bad guy will just take your gun away from you and use it on you (especially if you are a woman).

That has never happened in any of the self-defense incidents involving my family, no such story has ever been reported in the local newspaper.

After the OP story, I am beginning to wonder how many times has an intended victim taken the weapon from the attacker and used it in defense. It is just as likely an outcome as an attacker disarming an armed victim.
 
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I too thought the move by the would-be victim looked like a classic martial arts move. I think once he realized the BG was on him, he reacted instinctively, reflexively. This is my town, and all parts of it are dangerous. Situationally aware he was not, but all's well that ends well. Note to perps: don't crowd the vic. The 16-yr-old perp turned himself in about an hour ago. Hope the "victim" got his phone back; he'll need it at Jazz Fest.
 
It is just as likely an outcome as an attacker disarming an armed victim.
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is it?.....

assuming you need to use a weapon on an attacker, it is fair to assume the attacker also has a weapon.......that means the attacker would need to drop his weapon in order to try to take yours away.......criminals may be stupid, but they are not that stupid.

now for the sake of arguement lets assume the attacker does drop his weapon and go after yours......well, your guard is already up, you are expecting him to come after you and harm you.....his chances of successfully taking your weapon are drastically lower.



the reverse is not true.

say a criminal pulls a gun on an unarmed person.....they are expecting them to react with fear and either comply with their demands, or try and escape......they last thing they are expecting is for them to try and disarm them. that is why when they do, the criminal is caught off guard and the chance of successfully disarming them is slightly higher.
 
Looks like shotgun was unloaded. The way the guy jerked it would have almost guaranteed a discharge had it been loaded. Kid got lucky.
 
The gun was probably loaded or the two black males would not have asked him to trade the gun for his phone.
They clearly feared the shotgun once it was turned on them.
With the first lone robber you could presume that is because this aggressive young victim could clearly use it as a club.
But once the robber escaped they could have grabbed something to even the odds, like a tire iron in the vehicle, and returned 2 on 1 and taken it back.
Had it been unloaded the two black males with enough confidence and foolish enough to return for thier shotgun would have probably jumped him, overpowered him, and taken back thier unloaded shotgun.

Trying to talk him into giving it back tends to support that they felt he was armed with a lethal weapon.
 
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Would it be ok to return it one round at a time? He looked like he had done this before, or at least practiced it.
 
He looked like he had done this before, or at least practiced it.
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The robber had done it before. Couldn't tell if you were referring to robber or victim.
The follow up of the arrested 16 year old (just one so presumably he is not talking and giving up the accomplice) says he is being held for three recent robberies and this was merely the latest one.



Today a 16-year-old boy turned himself into eighth district detectives in the presence of his attorney. He will be charged with three different armed robbery incidents the latest in the 1900 block Burgundy Street, he will also be charged with two separate robberies one in the 800 block of Frenchmen Street and another in the 800 block of Touro Street all in the Marigny.
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Hard to establish why he turned himself in based on that video.
At least what they released was not necessarily clear enough to indentify him other than the clothing, though they could have better quality unreleased video and his face was clearly pointed to the camera.
Because they cut the video so short it is hard to tell if he is coming from someplace else, or was exiting the passenger side of the red car in the video. So we don't know if the red car was or was not the vehicle they were using or whether it speeds off after the attempt etc.
Unique clothing plus car color and type if the car was connected to them would have probably been enough to track them down.
Another possibility and potentially the motivation for wanting the shotgun back so badly is that the shotgun was linked to him.
If it was borrowed or stolen from a family member, say dad etc there is a good chance it would have prompty been traced back to him and so by losing the shotgun it was just a matter of time before arrest.
 
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The media reported the perp's rear window was smashed in. When he got home, his mom probably put two and two together and made him turn himself in.
 
lol that was some ninja crap right there...I like how he disarmed him and without hesitation also began chasing him....oh that was good lol. There isn't a drop of flight in that guy's flight or fight response.
 
I meant the victim, he went right to the move, "one of many" , martial arts moves used for taking away a knife or gun. It's a strike and head movement. along with a grab. There was one where if properly executed, reverses the shotgun on the attacker. But that was 40 years ago, when my reflexes were capable of carrying out such quick reactions.
 
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