Vietnam-what would you carry?

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I have a close family friend who was a Lt near Da Nang (USMC) in the late 60's. While in Vietnam he had access to several guns; M-16, Thompson, AK, and a 1911. It was interesting as he said "some days going out it was like golf- I'd pick the right club for the job depending on what we were doing and where we were going."

I have a lot of respect for him and any American who has served in combat.
 
Chainsaw in one and and a double-barrel sawed off shotgun in the other...


in all seriousness,

give me an M1A and a 1911 - nothing else will do.
 
I might like to add that using an AK-47 or other chi-com weapon in Vietnam was akin to assisted suicide.

Unlike the last few wars where both sides are using AK's, SVD's, etc, Vietnam was different.

At night, a burst of AK-47 fire would bring smoke on your ass from every American within earshot.

rcmodel
 
weapons in SE Asia...

I read SOG; the special ops in SE Asia by John Plaster(US Army special forces/USAR, retired). Major Plaster noted that most 9mm SMGs(like the Swedish Ks and S&W model 76s) and pistols were useless in the field, :uhoh:. He pushed hard to get a 5.56mm CAR-15 and put rifle mags where he had his old sidearm, ;).

Plaster also wrote that the SOG unit members could request nearly any weapon they wanted and US-MAC-SOG-V headquarters would get it for them, :D.

If I could select my own weapons, I'd use a Stoner SEAL type heavy machine gun, with the cut down barrel, ;), in 7.62mm. I'd also have a M-14 with a starlight scope/ART type sniper scope. A short barrel or cut down left handed 870 or 1100 .12ga shotgun, a M-79 grenade launcher, a .22LR Ruger target pistol(with sound surpressor) for spec ops, a S&W bodyguard model 49 .38spl for BUG/off duty use. I'd also pack a 1911a1 or high power but I would not always carry it in the field.
Rusty
 
I am especially interested in the comments here of Vietnam Vets who had their choice at the time of service. They and they alone would have the best insight IMHO.

As an adviser to an ARVN infantry battalion (4/48 ARVN INF), I was issued an M2 carbine -- a miserable piece of junk. I chose to carry a Colt M357 (you could get away with carrying private weapons in those days.) After my carbie got wrapped around a tree, I chose to carry an M1 Garand.

On my second tour, as an Infantry company commander (A-1/61 IN) I chose to carry an M14 sniper rifle (this was before the M24 was standardized.)
 
Just found this.

Boy does this bring back memories. Some of my 'Nam' history.

3rdMarDiv HQ SubUnit 2 Dong Ha. Was my Admin Rear.

Some dates are a little fuzzy today, along with the names of some units I was attached to.

I was an enlisted Marine FAC. (not airborne certified) Important because our FAC(A)'s used O1C birddogs and later were supplemented with the suburb OV-10. We also got support from an Army Birddog unit 220th Aviation company call sign KatKiller. We often didn't have enough airborne certified controllers to fill their back seats. So they would use any of us enlisted T*rds in the rear when a flight came up. The trick was we were only allowed to work "red Line" or better said, over North Vietnam.

Some one said they had a hard time with an M14 in an O1. Well I was rather proud of my confirmed KBA (Killed By Air) firing out the window full auto with my M14, the pilot kept saying over and over again, "Don't hit the prop, Don't hit the Prop." We also used M26A1 Frag and W/P grenades in peanut butter jars or real glass water glasses.

I got two Purple Hearts, neither one to bad. Not as easy as Ole John sKerry's, but I didn't get pulled out of 3rd Med for either of them either. Both got me about a week or week+ in the hospital there.

To the subject. I carried an M14 with a selector for most of both tours. Was Forced to get an M16 in mid 69, BrigGen had his aide get my name, unit and service #. No choice at that point.

I was getting to the Nam in 67 just as the Corps was forced to accept the M16. I bagged and tagged a bunch of Marines because of that widow Maker. Believe me if cleaning the rifle was the primary problem, we wouldn't have had a problem of consequence. Just more myth and AR/M16/M4 koolaide folks selling their BS. I will stop here because I can go on this rant for hours, about factual problems with the M16 then, and the family today. Some of the problems haven't changed in 45 years.

For a handgun I carried a M10 'Victory' model S&W. The 1911's I had available to me were not reliable, many were less reliable than the M16E1's we were issued. No where near as reliable as my 1911's I carry today. Given the choice and if I could have afforded it, I would have gotten a High Power P-35.

I was in Khe Sanh for Tet. I thought we had gotten over. Then 2-4 days after Tet the boss wanted me to take a team to Hue. My immediate response was "Why the f*** do I want to go to Hue???" Unlike some of the services today, it may come as a shock to you, but I didn't have an option. We flew to Hue and I was attached to 5th Marines for the first time.

That wasn't fun. At that point they weren't allowing us to run air. Lucky for me and my guys, they didn't put us in the assault elements. They used us with the security elements. We swept the buildings after the guy's doing the heavy lifting had taken the next street of Buildings. 2-3 weeks later they pulled us out for some R&R back in Khe Sanh.

I am glad that I had an M14 instead of a SMG of any caliber 45,6, 7.62X25 etc. Or an M16, but nobody wanted one of them, us or the NVA. The AK was reliable and worked well, but firing an AK at the wrong time would get you wasted by your own guys, because of the sound signature of the AK is so unique. I would still stick to my M14. Not particularly handy, but it could shoot through a lot of stuff, and it NEVER JAMMED. When I finally got hung with an M16 nobody wanted to borrow, steal, or trade for it. M14 was always popular with the other troops, the only problem they had is it was mine and not theirs.

Not much finish on it, but it never rusted either. I had given it a direct and legal order not to rust, and cleaned it twice a day religiously. My 38spl never failed to fire either.

For the Air-Dales, we called all AD1's "spads", and they were great for CAS, their problem was they were so slow, that in really heavy AAA missions or Ground Fire they often got blown out of the air.

So I could hang onto my M14, I could never take my M14 to Danang. So when ever I did any runs to Danang I would take a non standard weapon.

Thompson, M2, AK, SKS, Swedish K, etc. I liked the Swedish K best. Light & reliable. I enjoyed the Thompson, but went on one patrol with it. 347 Rounds of 45 ammo weighed a "ton" I had a drum, in the weapon, and 10 thirty round stick magazines in a mag bag. Bad Mojo.

Oh yea, ammo load outs. For the S&W I would carry 6 in the revolver of course, and an extra 50 rounds of ball. Also carried 12 tracer rounds for the S&W too.

When I carried the M14 I carried 15 Magazine loaded with 20 rounds and one of them was all tracers. Total 300 rounds. Only 9 of the magazines were on my belt.

When I was forced to carry the widow-maker, I carried 33 loaded magazines with one of them 100% tracers. Only 16rounds per magazine, a pair of slip joint pliers to straighten them when they would get tweaked and not fit in the mag-well of the widow-maker. 528 rounds.

Regardless of the ammo carried, I would take the M14 every time over any AR15/M16/M4.

My belt and flack jacket weighed 67 lbs. I weighted them in Sick Bay one time.

Anyone remember 45.5 FM? Medivac net.

Sorry for the rant. But sometimes I get diarrhea of the memory, such as it is. That's when I can remember.

Go figure.

Fred
 
simple, the GI 45 worked well for the service, why mess around, but I do have others though, but yes just a stock GI 45, from ANdy
 
Primary-M16 A-4 with Trijicon. Got me back from Baghdad in one piece. Secondary-BHP. Lots of exta magazines. M-9 would also suffice, but I shoot the BHP much moer effectively.
 
Pump Shotgun Rem or BPS, a 9mm with the largest magazine capacity made
 
I have to go with a PPSh-41 and an M79. PPSh loaded with 71-round drum magazines (I'll have, oh, four total), a reliable, deadly weapon with true character, and can pierce brush decently if you shoot enough (and ammo is pretty light, so you shouldn't have that problem), better than a Carbine (albeit heavier, but I'm willing to sacrifice that for 71 rounds on hand). The M79 is loaded with a buckshot load and is on a makeshift quick-release harness on my back (I've made one before, just takes some old webbing, buttons and ingenuity, works pretty damn well, too), and I'll have, maybe three to five of those loads total, the rest will be M406 High Explosive rounds, maybe ten of those.
The PPSh can act as an impromptu machine gun if I want it to, and it's excellent in the close range, and the M79 takes care of all of the problems that can only be solved by a big bore.
 
I notice a lot of people seem to choose B-52's. That seems like an entirely bad idea considering presision weapons didn't come about till a bit later on. From what I recall from reading and such it was a very bad thing to be under a B-52. Then again there aren't a lot of first hand accounts.

As for what I would carry? No AK, I hear you'll get shot at from your own guys. Something like a SCAR in 7.62x39 might be good. And sidearm, hmm, hi cap .45 of decent reliability.

I did have a dream once that I was there. I had a broken radio and a 1911 water pistol with a duct tape holster. I was running away. (incidentally I have a 1911 water pistol and I made a duct tape holster for it. It works quite well)
 
I had at least one uncle in the Nam but he NEVER spoke of it.

THANK YOU Veterans!!! It may be all for nothing come November but you have kept us free!

Some very good stories in this thread!

I've never shot or even handled much an AR/M Variant.
I do very much like the 1911 pistol!

I don't see much need for a pistol in the jungle.

So I think an M16 variant, maybe an A2 upper with adjustable stock and pistol front grip and LOTS of ammo. Backed up by a short barrel 12g pump with 00 buck.

And thanks again vets!!!!
 
M-4 and Browning Hi-Power
secondary, M-14 and 1911
Definitely a couple of Skyraiders overhead.
 
To all of the Nam vets- Thank you!

I don't think it makes much difference which service you were in, that war had no front lines and everybody was at risk.

I remember sitting in Okinawa when 1975 came around and all of the sudden, we were back in Vietnam... for a few hours at least. I'll not state my feelings on that, but I'll say we were surprised we went back in. It was the saddest rescue mission I ever saw.
 
I was issued an M14 for the first 6 weeks I was in country. Not a problem, I had also had one for Basic Training in 1969 and was very confident with it. I never saw an M14 that had the selector switch intact.
When I reached my Aviation Company, I was re-issued an M16 and never recieved any formal training on the thing. After the M14, the M16 was a big disapointment, except when firing full automatic. My M16 was zeroed and was never fired again. My primary weapons were two M60D Models which were set-up with the butterfly handles, twin triggers, & ring/bead sights.
Aircraft Crewmembers were given a sidearm choice of a Colt 1911 or a Smith & Wesson Model 10 .38 Special. I took the S&W and never gave it a second thought. 'Course I never needed to fire it in anger either.
My choices would be my Smith & Wesson Model 10 and my M14.
 
ya, I first saw an M16 in Dian, 1st Inf.Div basecamp in 1968. They handed it to me over a counter along with a ton of other crap, mostly to wear. After a couple of days of classes, qualify with my new toy firing at an old M13 APC from the berm and a phony practice ambush (we be ambushees) in the back of a duece and a half, jump out of the truck and take positions in really sucky tall grass, I went by air to another place called Laikhe where I met a fun bunch called bravo,2/28th. Little while later I was at some pit called FSB Orion where we stayed up all night sometimes going for walks and went for walks in the daytime after we got back. It wasn't really much walking though, as the crow flies. Once in a while we'd get to go back to that Laikhe place where they had a maybe shower and new clothes, and a village to get all screweed up in. Couple of days there, maybe, and then go back or maybe go to a new place that looked just like the old place really. This all went on for a long time.

There were always guns. You could play with any kind you wanted to, if you wanted to. Sometimes we'd find guns that somebody lost - whole lots of them sometimes and they'd either get packed up and some guys would come and take them away or more times we'd just blow them all up.

It was really interesting there. Kinda' stupid though. I'd've stayed longer but I got my legs all cut up and couldn't go for those nice walks anymore so they made me go home.
 
I think a m-3 grease gun and a flame thrower might be good. OH and who can forget a 1911!
 
Dian, Lai Khe

krs -

I was at Phu Loi in 1969.

Dian, Phu Loi, Lai Khe, & Cu Chi were all on Hiway 13.

Just outside of Lai Khe, maybe a klick, the 1st Infantry Division had used Rome Plows and cut a 1st Inf. Div. Patch (Big Red One) into the jungle. This thing must have been a mile long, half mile wide, and could only be seen from the air.
One of our aviation companies, the 173rd Robin Hoods, was based out of Lai Khe. Lai Khe's nicknames were usually Sherwood Forest or Rocket City I flew out of there quite a bit.
During the Vietnamization period, sometime in 1970, the ARVN's took over most of Lai Khe and moved their families into the perimeter bunkers. pretty strange to see kids & chickens running in and out when we crossed over the perimeter.

Welcome Home,

Bruce
 
"... a double-barrel sawed off shotgun in the other..."

What my brother said he always WANTED to carry was a full auto, double barreled 12ga., belt fed, and be followd by a dedicated team of ammo bearers.
 
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