SCKimberFan
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I sure hope you reported that stupid SOB. People like him don't deserve to wear a badge.
Volunteering CCW permit to officer
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I sure hope you reported that stupid SOB. People like him don't deserve to wear a badge.
benEzra
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Here in NC, I am required to notify any LEO I interact with if I am carrying, and failure to do so can be grounds for revocation of one's CHL.
Zach S
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Considering that I was one of those posters, yes I see it as a good thing. Now, I wasnt saying that my CHP got me out of a ticket, but it sure didn't hurt. Not long after getting my license I learned that being honest and respectful went a long way towards getting out of a ticket.
If the officer decides not to give me a ticket for a tail light out, because he knows I'm not one of the bad guys and I act like respectable human being, its his call.
Same thing goes for the jerks he pulls over saying "I pay your salary." If he give them the tail light ticket, and finds a few more violations because they're being an *******, its his call again.
I asked a buddy of mine on the job why it seemed like my CHP got me a pass sometimes. He explained to me that the police made a surprising number of arrests or court dates for something simple like a tail light out or dead tag. When they take your license back to the car, they're running it for warrants. Since I have my CHP, its highly unlikely I have any, so they dont bother.
coloradokevin
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readyrob said:
It is already like that around here. If I pull you over and you have a CCW, I get a hit back that indicates that you have a CCW.
Honestly, I always think it is a good idea to inform the officer that you are carrying; I do so whenever I'm stopped on my own time (not that often, but it has happened). It is mostly just a courtesy to the officer, and most (I'd say even an overwhelming majority in this state) of officers will react favorably to such information.
Just my $0.02
DeepSouth
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If they don't ask I don't tell.
If they do ask I tend to think the reason they gave me a permit was so I could show it to the officer upon request.. Hate to say I don't AL laws on this issue. I'll look it up in a little while.
If they do ask I tend to think the reason they gave me a permit was so I could show it to the officer upon request.. Hate to say I don't AL laws on this issue. I'll look it up in a little while.
chuckusaret
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Wrong! First of all you don't need a permit to carry a weapon in your car in Florida. If the LEO wants to know if there are any weapons in the car he should ask. I have all kinds of licenses, like a FFL, C&R, CCW, Scuba and HALO and I don't offer any of them to the LEO, they are not part of a traffic stop.
archigos
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They have no business knowing that I am carrying unless it specifically concerns them. I know that I am a law abiding citizen and don't distrust myself with a firearm around LEOs.
They have no need to know, they have no need to search my car, and they have no need to search my person without probable cause. If I were in a situation where it seemed that I might have my person searched (with probable cause, a warrant, or an LEO with a future lawsuit against his department), I'd inform them simply so they aren't taken by surprise, causing them to do something stupid.
They have no need to know, they have no need to search my car, and they have no need to search my person without probable cause. If I were in a situation where it seemed that I might have my person searched (with probable cause, a warrant, or an LEO with a future lawsuit against his department), I'd inform them simply so they aren't taken by surprise, causing them to do something stupid.
coloradokevin
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bensdad said:
Don't kid yourself on this one, officers will always need to have discretion as to whether or not they will write a ticket. You wouldn't like to live in a world where we wrote everyone for every violation we spotted! We also aren't paid to "write tickets", we are paid to ensure public safety. Sometimes this involves writing tickets, while warnings are more than sufficient in other cases.
As such, I have found myself inclined to give a break to folks who are courteous and respectful on traffic stops. In that light, if a person says: "Officer, I just wanted to let you know that I have a CCW permit, and I'm carrying a concealed weapon", I might be inclined to cut them a break. First, by having a CCW I already know that they aren't a hardcore criminal. Moreover, they have demonstrated a desire to make the stop go easier for me. Therefore, I judge that many of these folks are law-abiding citizens who will get the message through a simple warning to drive better!
Admittedly, I'm not a traffic cop; I work in the 'hood, and deal with gang violence far more often than I deal with traffic. So, sometimes I'm easier on traffic offenders than other officers. But, making a judgement call on each person as an individual doesn't necessarily equate to doing favors for a certain group, nor does it amount to some form of corruption.
This is just like the following scenario, which I had last week. Lets say I pull over two people for running the same stop sign.
Person A: "I stopped at that sign, you're just harrasing me. I shouldn't have even pulled over for you."
Person B: (before I can even introduce myself): "Officer, I'm so sorry... I wasn't thinking and I realize I ran that stop sign. I feel horrible, here's my license and insurance."
Person "A" has prior traffic violations listed, Person "B" has none.
Knowing that I don't write everyone I stop, who do you suppose got the ticket in this instance?
In short, it isn't always about the guns, it is often about the attitude.
Zach S said:
^ Yep.
That's great! Thanks Kevin. You very succinctly described what I find so dusgusting about this topic (how to interact with cops). There seem to be a few of you who treat us differently when we "show respect." They also treat us differently when we just want to know what the problem is and how to get going (busted taillight, speeding ticket, etc.). I guess I'll start giving higher grades to students who "show respect". My wife should start treating patients better when they "show respect". I wonder if my electrician would give me a better rate for "showing respect".
Deanimator
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Whenever possible, DON'T.
When necessary, interact with them STRICTLY in accordance with applicable law.
On the street they're NOT your friend.
On the street they don't have your best interests at heart.
If they're interacting with you, it's because they want something, and it may be 180deg the opposite of your legal interests, even if you've never committed a crime in your life.
Obey the law.
Avoid the police.
If you cannot avoid the police, interact with them ONLY to the degree required by law.
If they act outside of the law, document it and use the criminal and civil courts to respond without mercy or sentimentality. If their job is too hard to do without committing crimes or civil torts, ensure that they are involuntarily shifted to another career field.
Bad cops destroy the criminal justice system. When you encounter them, pitilessly root them out before they do.
Deltaboy1984
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Just follow the LAW as it is written in your State. I have to tell because in TX I can lose my CCW for not telling during a traffic stop.
Teachers must teach without bias, Nurses and doctors must treat without bias, Cops have more control over how they decide to carry out their job, within limits. a cop can decide whether or not to pull someone over who is going 5 mph over the limit or reserve such stops for people exceeding 15 mph over the limit. He/she can choose to give people a break on minor infractions... there is a huge difference in the duties of health care workers, education workers, and LEO's.
Given there are some LEO's out there that are *******s and will take any mention of a weapon as a threat to their life, but my experience as well as that of many friends and previous posters shows that the majority feel much better about the situation when you are honest about everything upfront.
as I posted previously, I dont think it is fair that the majority of my female friends can get out of nearly any ticket whereas all police seem to be Pissed at me the moment they reach my window. the fact that I am a 22 Y/O built guy greatly reduces the likelyhood that I will get out of any ticket at any time... Do I whine about that? No... it is a reality of life, but the cop is doing his job and I will even shake their hand as they leave for such. you keep your "I pay your salary line" and lets see how well that works for you.
Given there are some LEO's out there that are *******s and will take any mention of a weapon as a threat to their life, but my experience as well as that of many friends and previous posters shows that the majority feel much better about the situation when you are honest about everything upfront.
as I posted previously, I dont think it is fair that the majority of my female friends can get out of nearly any ticket whereas all police seem to be Pissed at me the moment they reach my window. the fact that I am a 22 Y/O built guy greatly reduces the likelyhood that I will get out of any ticket at any time... Do I whine about that? No... it is a reality of life, but the cop is doing his job and I will even shake their hand as they leave for such. you keep your "I pay your salary line" and lets see how well that works for you.
Big Daddy Grim
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As a LEO I would prefer you say somthingn makes me know your an upstanding person.
daniel1113
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Of course I tell the police if I am carrying... I also tell them the color of my underpants, my dog's name, and my favorite transformer. What can I say? I want them to know that I'm one of the good guys.
Or... I follow the law, but I don't tell an officer anything that is not directly pertinent to the stop. Until I get pulled over for taking shots at other motorists while driving, my firearms have no relation to any traffic violation.
EDIT: Just to be clear, I know that I am required to inform an officer that I am carrying here in Texas, hence the "follow the law" bit.
Or... I follow the law, but I don't tell an officer anything that is not directly pertinent to the stop. Until I get pulled over for taking shots at other motorists while driving, my firearms have no relation to any traffic violation.
EDIT: Just to be clear, I know that I am required to inform an officer that I am carrying here in Texas, hence the "follow the law" bit.
divemedic
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but if he is showing favoritism based on whatever reason, he ISN'T doing his job. The question here is should police be allowed to not do their jobs, and if so, under what conditions?
daniel1113
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There's a big difference between favoritism and treating each person based on the situation. Zero tolerance policies are not healthy in any situation.
Dan Crocker
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I guess I've been lucky in my thirteen years of driving. I've never been randomly pulled over.
hunter25
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It is interesting reading the responses from my own state They all make sense for different reasons. The instructor for my class in Colorado who is a county sheriff advised us not to tell unless asked. He said he already will have this information and would ask if he thought it was needed during a stop.
ambidextrous1
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Maybe you should tell them that next time you get pulled over.. I pay your salary to do what you are doing...
Sure, and while you're saying that, poke him repeatedly in the chest!
If/when I'm stopped, I include my CHL with the DL, registration and insurance papers, whether I'm carrying or not. It's part of my program to help the LEO make the best decision; and the best decision is the one that impacts me the least.
In the past 15 years, I've been pulled over twice, and both times, the LEO made the best decision.
Maybe you should tell them that next time you get pulled over.. I pay your salary to do what you are doing...
Sure, and while you're saying that, poke him repeatedly in the chest!
If/when I'm stopped, I include my CHL with the DL, registration and insurance papers, whether I'm carrying or not. It's part of my program to help the LEO make the best decision; and the best decision is the one that impacts me the least.
In the past 15 years, I've been pulled over twice, and both times, the LEO made the best decision.
Deanimator
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The best decision is for him to obey the law.
so next time I am going 60 in a 55 and I see blue lights behind me I should just keep going... if he goes over 55 he is speeding right, I guess that gives me a clean get away....
I guess if I ever need to call the police for an invasion situation he should stay outside seeing as I wont be able to invite him into my home and it would be illegal for him to enter without my permission.
I am amazed at the responses this is getting... he needs to obey the law, he needs to be completely impartial... bla bla.. whine whine...
of course many of these same people say the 2A is their permit to carry and their hunting/fishing license.... follow the laws... just not the ones that are irritating...
never under any circumstances walk down main street with an ice cream cone in your back pocket... and dont even think about eating chicken with a fork...if you do, you will be arrested... after all, it is the law.
Why is this so hard?
If you are not required by law to do so don't volunteer information. I mean really why take the chance on having a police officer overreact to your situation. The officer is not going to search your car or person for a routine traffic stop. He has no idea if you have a gun or not unless you give him reason to search you. Maybe you should be more worried about why a police officer would have probable cause to search yourself or vehichle.
If you are not required by law to do so don't volunteer information. I mean really why take the chance on having a police officer overreact to your situation. The officer is not going to search your car or person for a routine traffic stop. He has no idea if you have a gun or not unless you give him reason to search you. Maybe you should be more worried about why a police officer would have probable cause to search yourself or vehichle.
http://www.dumblaws.com/
in alabama it is illegal to flick a booger into the wind, drive barefoot, and putting salt on a railroad track is punishable by death, and you cannot shoot guns on sundays...
also, never under any circumstance play dominoes on a sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POLICE!!!!!!!... DROP THE DOMINOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW, such laws are not limited to Alabama... the exist everywhere...
in alabama it is illegal to flick a booger into the wind, drive barefoot, and putting salt on a railroad track is punishable by death, and you cannot shoot guns on sundays...
also, never under any circumstance play dominoes on a sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
POLICE!!!!!!!... DROP THE DOMINOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW, such laws are not limited to Alabama... the exist everywhere...
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