Zach S
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Heh, a while back there was an amber alert in my area, and the suspect vehicle was a blue Caprice with NC tags. Guess what I drove at the time...
That was a long week.
Volunteering CCW permit to officer
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That was a long week.
Sounds like you attract an awful lot of attention from law enforcement for a "well-mannered respectable type". These threads are always the same. The guys who have a boner about "dirty LEOs", by amazing coincidence, also have a history of earning the scrutiny of the criminal justice system fair-and-square.
Go ahead. Get mad. The truth stings.
There. I put a smiley up to make it better.Les
I posted a couple of videos earlier in the thread. Ragnar and others might not have viewed them, as they still seem to be missing the point. Offering information that is not required by law invites further scrutiny and continued interaction. If you must inform, then, by all means, do so. If you don't have to inform, then don't.
BTW, when I DO break the law, I willingly accept the consequences. My last ticket was for 52 in a 30. I paid the fine - no complaints. My insurance goes up? No complaints. If the cop had chosen to write it for careless (I think it's a bigger fine or mandatory appearance), I was in no position to argue. No complaints. The point is, I'm not going to share information that I don't have to share.
BTW, when I DO break the law, I willingly accept the consequences. My last ticket was for 52 in a 30. I paid the fine - no complaints. My insurance goes up? No complaints. If the cop had chosen to write it for careless (I think it's a bigger fine or mandatory appearance), I was in no position to argue. No complaints. The point is, I'm not going to share information that I don't have to share.
Deanimator
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I have very little interaction with the police, and by design.
I neither do the things nor associate with the people who attract police attention.
When you don't break the law, you don't need "breaks".
My unavoidable interactions with the police are characterized by politeness but not fawning servility. I don't call cops SOBs, nor will I ever call one "sir".
I have no desire to interact with the police. When I do, I expect them to obey the law and respect my rights. If they don't, there will be consequences.
From PT1911:
Actually, we don't call it "entitlement". We call it a right. We have the right to withhold that information from a cop during a traffic stop (in MN). What you are encouraging is the willing abandonment of that right. Now I see where you're coming from. I'm done here.
Actually, we don't call it "entitlement". We call it a right. We have the right to withhold that information from a cop during a traffic stop (in MN). What you are encouraging is the willing abandonment of that right. Now I see where you're coming from. I'm done here.
Substitute any other grouping, say "lawyers", or "Democrats", or "foreigners", and I think one can see that there's clear animus carried in the statement. My suspicion is that this enmity comes out in any interactions you may have with a member of the "group".
When I grew up enough to quit doing stupid stuff like illegal drugs and driving drunk, I simultaneously quit viewing LEOs as killjoys that just wanted to hassle me. I have since found that being on good terms with local law enforcement has led to some rewarding friendships with some really-outstanding individuals that approach life and see the world pretty much the same as I do.
Les
Deanimator
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I've never used drugs.
I don't drive drunk.
I have no desire to interact with the police, least of all in the street. I want to be on NO "terms" with them. I've mostly been successful.
runrabbitrun
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I take it that when the poster stated:
I have no desire to interact with the police.
He meant in an 'official and legal capacity', NOT in a social situation
when interacting with you.
Some of you people at this site seem to be pretty up tight/stressed out
and seem to always be on the offensive.
Seems some are trying to beat us civilians down for our point of view.
Why is that?
If your an LEO >>> PLEASE... quit taking anything said as if WE (collectively)
mean or 'think' you are the bad guys.
We know your not... Machismo aside and all... (for some)
I have no desire to interact with the police.
He meant in an 'official and legal capacity', NOT in a social situation
when interacting with you.
Some of you people at this site seem to be pretty up tight/stressed out
and seem to always be on the offensive.
Seems some are trying to beat us civilians down for our point of view.
Why is that?
If your an LEO >>> PLEASE... quit taking anything said as if WE (collectively)
mean or 'think' you are the bad guys.
We know your not... Machismo aside and all... (for some)
Deanimator
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I definitely want to have no professional interaction with the police. Any such interaction is the result or the harbinger of bad things.
I have at various times interacted socially with people who happened to be police, in a context other than their being police. Police as police do not interest me. I have no desire to hang around with them as police. As they're fond of saying, they have a job [hard or not] to do. It doesn't require my gratuitous social interaction.
runrabbitrun
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Deanimator, I feel the same way essentially.
Interesting to note:
I just did a BBQ Saturday with a dude going into
the Boarder Patrol.
He leaves here Tuesday to start his training.
Good guy and he also feels like most of us do
and all he wants to do is make a difference and help stop
the flow of illegals coming into this country.
Oh BTW... He's Latino.
PS:
I told him to watch out for those 'other LEOs' who carry hot 24/7
against SOP.
He knows the drill and will be a fine BPA, me thinks.
Interesting to note:
I just did a BBQ Saturday with a dude going into
the Boarder Patrol.
He leaves here Tuesday to start his training.
Good guy and he also feels like most of us do
and all he wants to do is make a difference and help stop
the flow of illegals coming into this country.
Oh BTW... He's Latino.
PS:
I told him to watch out for those 'other LEOs' who carry hot 24/7
against SOP.
He knows the drill and will be a fine BPA, me thinks.
Deanimator
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If ANY LEO has a "hard job" it's the Border Patrol.
Nobody in a position of authority on EITHER side of the border wants them to do their jobs.
xXxplosive
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I've never use drugs.
I don't drive drunk.
I have no desire to interact with the police, least of all in the street.
I mind my own business and do not look for trouble of any kind.
I always acknowledge my CCL if stopped.
CCL....When Seconds Count and the Police Are Minutes Away.
I don't drive drunk.
I have no desire to interact with the police, least of all in the street.
I mind my own business and do not look for trouble of any kind.
I always acknowledge my CCL if stopped.
CCL....When Seconds Count and the Police Are Minutes Away.
Art Eatman
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I don't have what I see as a hangup, insofar as Deanimator's comments. He's quite welcome to his views, of course, but my style is different. And, the results of my style can be good. I was with some folks one night when a rather mild brannigan began. One LEO was in a bad mood and was ready to arrest everybody around. Kinda nice to have a Texas Ranger--Cap Allee's son--specifically point to me as being one of the good guys. Between the two of us we kept it down to only one guy getting a free ride.
Dan Crocker
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I'm sorry that this has been your experience, and that of many here. The two times that I was pulled over while carrying the police became noticeably more relaxed when I told them up front that I had a CHL and that I was armed. I wasn't confrontational and neither were they. I appreciate your experience and I understand why you do things your way; however mine has been different and until it changes I'll continue to do what I am comfortable with.
FlyinBryan
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yup, we have to here in good old tay-hoss
I believe its best to go ahead and TELL the LEO that you have a concealed weapon and a concealed weapon permit but DO NOT reach for anything until the LEO ask you to do so. If your in NC, you are required to carry permit when carrying your concealed weapon. Also you are required to tell the LEO when he 1st approaches your vehicle that you have a concealed weapon in the vehicle and where its located.
divemedic
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The funny thing is that criminals are constitutionally protected from disclosing that they have a firearm. That's right, the "must notify" law does not apply to those who are carrying a weapon illegally.
That was confirmed by a court case whose name escapes me. See, the 5A prevents self incrimination, so a convicted felon would be incriminating himself to disclose that he had a weapon.
That was confirmed by a court case whose name escapes me. See, the 5A prevents self incrimination, so a convicted felon would be incriminating himself to disclose that he had a weapon.
mcdonl
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You should drive more carefully...
Deanimator
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I don't go to places where these those things typically happen. I stick mostly to book stores, gun stores and family restaurants, but then admittedly, I'm not really the sociable type.
But if a fistfight ever breaks out in the aviation section at Borders, I'll do what I always do and avoid trouble and obey the law.
answerguy
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Is it ok with you that the CPL info will be available to the LEO when he calls in your DL?
Deanimator
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Probably, as long as he doesn't impose on his own, an extra-legal duty to notify.
It's not available in Colorado, nor is there a "duty to inform". In fact a permit isn't required to CC in your vehicle.
Oddly enough, we don't have a slew of dead cops around here either.
Go figure.
No, I don't want any more information about my lawful activities out there then is absolutely necessary
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